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Posted on 11/8/11 at 9:59 pm to Powerman
That thread was amazing in its stupidity. If we can't have it anymore, then Zach should at the very least be banned.
Posted on 11/8/11 at 10:08 pm to Hat Tricks
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He is either a sick frick or just batshit crazy.
I've been saying this from day one, ban him and give me his name..
I did beat him in the last ever thunderdome.. TYVM
lol
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:44 am to fr33manator
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Something doesn't sit right with me. Completely out of character for Zach. Did he have a stroke?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:12 am to skinny domino
Thread was whacked. What was he saying? Are we talking about NolaZach???
Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:30 am to Sentrius
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It's amazing how quick he ruined his rep on td.com in just under three hours. Looks like he'll have to start over with one of his alters.
I wasn't aware that anyone took him seriously before that thread, he's one weird old man.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:19 am to Zach
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How is this defending Sandusky?
I never claimed you were defending Sandusky, nor did I ask for the thread to be deleted. It was sickening that you thought these boys were consenting to this action, which is where I disagreed. Add that to the fact that you cannot name the age of post-pubescent, and the fact that you don't know the difference between statutory rape, forcible rape, and child molestation also shows you don't know what you are talking about. You are a fricking moron, and everyone knows it except for you.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:07 am to crazy4lsu
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It was sickening that you thought these boys were consenting to this action, which is where I disagreed.
Then you are taking the position that dozens of boys were overpowered and raped against their wills over a period of 15 years and NOT ONE told parents or authorities?
That would be the position of a mental retard.
But then, we can't really debate such issues because those of your ilk had the thread pulled. That's why I've never requested a thread be deleted and never requested a poster banned. And I've been here a very long time.
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you don't know the difference between statutory rape, forcible rape, and child molestation also shows you don't know what you are talking about.
Oh, I know the difference. I could ask you to show which of my posts indicates that I don't. Ah, but that's right. You can't find it because it's been deleted. So sad.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:24 am to Zach
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Then you are taking the position that dozens of boys were overpowered and raped against their wills over a period of 15 years and NOT ONE told parents or authorities?
You didn't read the grand jury report, did you?
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Oh, I know the difference.
No you don't. You thought Roman Polanski was charged with statutory rape. He wasn't.
Also why won't you answer this question: at what age is someone considered post-pubescent. You said the victims, who were all under 13, were post-pubescent, and thus willing, which is the actual position of a mental retard.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:29 am to crazy4lsu
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You didn't read the grand jury report, did you?
You didn't answer the question.
An adult having sex with a consenting minor is statutory rape. Doesn't matter what Polanski was charged with.
Age of pubescence varies in boys from 10 to 13.
But it really doesn't matter. Sexual identity happens before puberty. That's why when you were 9 years old you liked the pretty young female teacher in your school. You didn't have the same feelings for the male coach.
BTW, this discussion we're having on the Help board is a illustration of why the thread should not have been pulled. All of these issues, questions, and misunderstandings could be hashed out. But some people just like censorship.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:34 am to Zach
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You didn't answer the question.
There were multiple times Sandusky was reported to the parents and the police. Read Victim 6's account if you are hazy.
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Age of pubescence varies in boys from 10 to 13.
So none of the victims were post-pubescent, since they ranged in age from 8-13.
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But it really doesn't matter.
It absolutely does, since you claimed that there was willingness on the part of the victims, which is the exact point I disagreed with.
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BTW, this discussion we're having on the Help board is a illustration of why the thread should not have been pulled. All of these issues, questions, and misunderstandings could be hashed out. But some people just like censorship.
I've said three times in this thread that our discussion should have never been deleted. It was a monument to your stupidity.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:42 am to crazy4lsu
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Read Victim 6's account if you are hazy.
I can't. The thread is gone.
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So none of the victims were post-pubescent, since they ranged in age from 8-13.
Uh, that argument would assume puberty only begins after 13.
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It absolutely does, since you claimed that there was willingness on the part of the victims, which is the exact point I disagreed with.
Statutory rape allows for willingness.
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I've said three times in this thread that our discussion should have never been deleted
I know. Just pointing out to our readers how stupid it is to whine to ADM about censorship.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:48 am to Zach
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I can't. The thread is gone.
It's on pg. 19 of the report. University Police investigated Sandusky, and the DA didn't press charges. But that isn't the only example of parents complaining.
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Uh, that argument would assume puberty only begins after 13.
You know what the prefix post means, right?
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Statutory rape allows for willingness.
It presumes coercion, so no, it doesn't allow for willingness, since all the victims were under the legal age of consent. They are legally incapable.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:54 am to crazy4lsu
CENSORSHIP
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:04 am to Zach
The way you are trivializing and minimizing child sexual abuse makes it seem like you are trying to justify something.
There are numerous reasons a child doesn't tell, none of which are that the child was gay and wanted it to happen. That is one of the most ignorant and offensive things I have ever read.
An excerpt from an article regarding child sexual abuse and why children don't report it...
There are numerous reasons a child doesn't tell, none of which are that the child was gay and wanted it to happen. That is one of the most ignorant and offensive things I have ever read.
An excerpt from an article regarding child sexual abuse and why children don't report it...
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Children are afraid no one will believe them, because that is what many abusers brainwash and groom their victims to believe. Children may be threatened by the offender, or the child molester tells the victim that the parents or family members will be physically harmed or killed if the child tells anyone about the abuse.
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Children also don’t tell because they feel guilty, embarrassed and ashamed, having been “groomed” by the offender over a period of time to believe they are just as guilty as the offender. Pedophiles use a variety of “grooming methods” to befriend and get close to families with children in order to molest a child. Children may feel guilty if they get an abuser “in trouble”, or are afraid they themselves will “get in trouble” for telling.
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The victim of child sexual abuse is almost always told not to tell, and children tend to believe what adults say. If you thought no one would believe you if you told, and you knew that your offender would be extremely angry at you and threatened harsh punishment, would you have the courage to tell? What if your offender told you that you would go to jail because you were just as guilty as he or she is? The child who tells is incredibly brave and very rare. Most sexually abused children do not tell anyone they were abused, even when directly asked by parents or other authority figures.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:04 am to crazy4lsu
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Uh, that argument would assume puberty only begins after 13. You know what the prefix post means, right?
Yes. AFTER puberty. You said NONE of them were. That's stupid. If a 12 year old victim reached puberty at 11 then he is post puberty.
Since your gripe is with consent let's concede the point for now. Let's say that NONE of the victims consented. They were all forced physically.
Were the 100 or so victims in the Catholic Priest scandal similarly forced? Did not 1 of them consent? Did all of them get grappled to the ground and get anally raped by Father Timothy?
An aside... If this keeps up I'm expecting Shorty Rob to go to the Extra-Help Board to demand the deletion of this thread on the Help Board.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:12 am to Zach
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Yes. AFTER puberty. You said NONE of them were. That's stupid. If a 12 year old victim reached puberty at 11 then he is post puberty.
Since all of the victims were younger than 13, I'm assuming most were not post-pubescent FOR SURE, since we don't know when each hit puberty. According to this LINK puberty in boys starts in 12 to 13. That would make the anal intercourse Sandusky allegedly had with Victim 2, who was reported to be around 10 years old, child molestation. I'm absolutely sure the prosecution will argue this if it comes to trial. Not only that, Sandusky met many of the boys when they were 7 or 8. It's clear to me he's a hebephile.
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Were the 100 or so victims in the Catholic Priest scandal similarly forced? Did not 1 of them consent? Did all of them get grappled to the ground and get anally raped by Father Timothy?
That group of people isn't monolithic by any means, so I can't answer for any of them for certain. But since you are so fond of anecdotal evidence, the one person who I know who was assaulted did not consent, and is not gay. The scandals of Penn State and the Catholic Church are only analogous in terms of the cover-up, in my opinion.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:16 am to crazy4lsu
I just posted this on Shorty's thread:
"I'll start a new thread on the topic focusing on the possibility of consent. But I'm not gonna do it unless you and Shorty sign off on not whining to ADM. Yes or No?"
We really can't debate this on the Help Board. It's anchored.
"I'll start a new thread on the topic focusing on the possibility of consent. But I'm not gonna do it unless you and Shorty sign off on not whining to ADM. Yes or No?"
We really can't debate this on the Help Board. It's anchored.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:24 am to Zach
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Did all of them get grappled to the ground and get anally raped
It doesn't have anything to do with physical coercion. It has to do with "grooming" and brainwasing.
Are you trying to convince yourself of your point?
I find your views on child sexual abuse to be very disturbing and alarming.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:29 am to Paige
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There are numerous reasons a child doesn't tell, none of which are that the child was gay and wanted it to happen. That is one of the most ignorant and offensive things I have ever read.
I remember when I was 11. I played LL baseball. If my coach arse raped me he would have been missing several teeth and the cops would have been called before my parents knew what happened.
But, do you agree or disagree that this topic is worthy of a thread on the Poli Board? To me, censorship and 'being offended' is becoming the real teaching point here, beyond the merits of the topic.
I am extremely disappointed in Shorty Rob (whom I consider a good poster) for going wuss.
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