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Thoughts on German Volume Training?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:12 am
Posted on 7/29/20 at 12:12 am
I’m getting older and my joints can’t handle the heavier loads. I like the idea of compensating with volume instead.
Would love to hear some opinions.
Would love to hear some opinions.
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 1:35 am to Robin Masters
I've played around with it and still incorporate some elements of it in my workouts periodically. GVT was designed for elite strength athletes and if done right is very tough. If I was going to do it again it would be as a change of pace for a few weeks. wouldn't want to do it full time.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 6:39 am to Robin Masters
I would think that high volume would have just as much or more chance of injury than “normal” training because after so many reps 1)your form may break down and 2) your stabilizer muscles are toast
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:59 am to Robin Masters
The older you get and still want to train with heavy weights, the more you need to look at reducing your volume, more rest in between sessions, etc.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:59 am to Robin Masters
I've messed around with it for a very short time over a year ago. It's really high volume for big compound lifts. Also pretty short rest intervals and brutal tempo. You'll have to go much lighter if you want to try to stick with the rest intervals and tempo for all 10 sets. Seems like it would be pretty tough to recover from though even using light weights because it's gonna cause a good bit of muscle damage with high volume slow eccentrics. If you want to eat a ton and gain some mass though - it'll work.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:35 am to Robin Masters
As other have said, as you get older volume is your issue, not the heavy loads, atleast if you are taking care of yourself.
Gvt is a great program, especially as a change of pace, but it is brutal if done correctly.
Gvt is a great program, especially as a change of pace, but it is brutal if done correctly.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 7:00 pm to lsu777
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As other have said, as you get older volume is your issue, not the heavy loads, atleast if you are taking care of yourself.
Gvt is a great program, especially as a change of pace, but it is brutal if done correctly.
I feel like everything is my issue. Lol.
I probably won’t do the full GVT program but I guess my thinking is instead of adding weight just add volume. So instead of 5x8-10 at 185 (which I can do fairly comfortably) just do 10x10 at 135 and then do flys and weighted dips (which I can do comfortably so long as I keep my elbows tight to my body).
Posted on 10/25/20 at 11:54 pm to Robin Masters
Anyone have a good program for this? Want to check it out...
Posted on 10/26/20 at 7:58 am to Robin Masters
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I feel like everything is my issue. Lol.
I probably won’t do the full GVT program but I guess my thinking is instead of adding weight just add volume. So instead of 5x8-10 at 185 (which I can do fairly comfortably) just do 10x10 at 135 and then do flys and weighted dips (which I can do comfortably so long as I keep my elbows tight to my body).
Should be fine doing that. I would rather see you keep it at 5 sets though and just push the reps.
But have you looked at 531? You should look at the forever programs, I think they would suit you well.
Also if you are older why would you want to be focused on bulking? If its health you seek then you should be focused on manageable weights and perfect form. Use density to continue to make gains.
This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 8:08 am
Posted on 10/26/20 at 8:06 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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Anyone have a good program for this? Want to check it out...
Updated 2018 version from poliquin LINK
Original from poliquin
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Advanced gvt from Ben P.
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GVT is about gaining size through a shock in volume. Brutal if done correctly. It is better used as a hypertrophy phase after a block or two of strength training and should be followed by an accumulation phase similar to wendlers anchors or something like 321 wave or ladder loading. Thia allows you to realize the strength gains from the accumulated muscle.
Also gvt should not be confused with German body comp program which is more about a recomp or cutting.
Posted on 10/26/20 at 9:47 am to lsu777
My man! Always coming through.
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