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re: Salmon or Tuna
Posted on 9/28/25 at 8:10 pm to OGtigerfan87
Posted on 9/28/25 at 8:10 pm to OGtigerfan87
I prefer salmon. Fact check me on this but I think tuna has higher mercury levels.
Only eat wild caught salmon. Atlantic salmon, and anything not labeled as wild caught, are farm raised fish stacked on top of each other swimming around in each others’ feces. They can get sick which is why the fish farmers feed them a lot of antobiotics. You don’t want to be consuming high levels of fish tainted with antibiotics. Also, the farmers feed them orange food colored food to make the meat look orange. Otherwise the fish would be more white.
There’s a lot coming out about microplastics and other toxins being found in even wild caught fish. So eating salmon daily isn’t a great idea. What I do is eat it a couple of times a week. And the days I don’t I take salmon oil capsules. A quality product will be properly filtered to remove microplastics and other toxins.
Only eat wild caught salmon. Atlantic salmon, and anything not labeled as wild caught, are farm raised fish stacked on top of each other swimming around in each others’ feces. They can get sick which is why the fish farmers feed them a lot of antobiotics. You don’t want to be consuming high levels of fish tainted with antibiotics. Also, the farmers feed them orange food colored food to make the meat look orange. Otherwise the fish would be more white.
There’s a lot coming out about microplastics and other toxins being found in even wild caught fish. So eating salmon daily isn’t a great idea. What I do is eat it a couple of times a week. And the days I don’t I take salmon oil capsules. A quality product will be properly filtered to remove microplastics and other toxins.
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Posted on 9/29/25 at 10:44 am to SaintsTiger
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Also, the farmers feed them orange food colored food to make the meat look orange. Otherwise the fish would be more white.
Can we please stop with this stupid argument around Salmon? It is beyond ignorant. You're going to be shocked when you find out how the wild caught salmon gets its coloring. Here is a hint, its the same source the farm raised salmon does.
As far as wild vs farm, there is some good reasons for one over the other. There are bad farms and good farms, do your research on those. There is also bad wild caught salmon that eat lots of trash and other things that doesn't have their diet regulated. A good farm raised salmon will have a more controlled environment and usually higher in your good fats and B12. Just because it is wild caught does not mean it is necessarily a cleaner salmon. Go with whichever you prefer, but one is not inherently better than the other, just different.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/29/25 at 3:29 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Can we please stop with this stupid argument around Salmon? It is beyond ignorant. You're going to be shocked when you find out how the wild caught salmon gets its coloring. Here is a hint, its the same source the farm raised salmon does. As far as wild vs farm, there is some good reasons for one over the other. There are bad farms and good farms, do your research on those. There is also bad wild caught salmon that eat lots of trash and other things that doesn't have their diet regulated. A good farm raised salmon will have a more controlled environment and usually higher in your good fats and B12. Just because it is wild caught does not mean it is necessarily a cleaner salmon. Go with whichever you prefer, but one is not inherently better than the other, just different.
No need to use pejoratives like “stupid” . This isn’t 5th grade recess.
Personally I eat wild caught, sockeye salmon. As far as I know it’s some of the best wild caught salmon commercially available.
Why don’t you share a list of your favorite salmon farms? Let us know why you approve, where you buy, and evidence that their farming practices produce healthy fish. That would actually advance the conversation and help everyone.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 4:28 pm to SaintsTiger
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No need to use pejoratives like “stupid” . This isn’t 5th grade recess.
It is a stupid argument. It was an accurate description. I also called it ignorant. Because it is. Feel free to insert another word as you see fit that won't hurt your feelings to describe an argument made that lacks knowledge.
If you advise against eating farm raised salmon because of how they get their color (yes I know you made more than just that argument, I'm specifically addressing the fear mongering around coloring), then you should also advise against eating wild caught salmon because of how they get their color.
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Personally I eat wild caught, sockeye salmon. As far as I know it’s some of the best wild caught salmon commercially available.
That's fine, eat whatever species of salmon you want, it doesn't change anything in the statements I made. There is good and bad sockeye salmon out there as well. It does nothing to correct your ignorant statement around how salmon, wild or farm, gets its color. The source of coloring for both is the exact same. I said there are good reasons to eat wild over farm, there are just good reasons to do farm over wild too. Both types have their pro's and con's, there is nothing wrong with either.
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Why don’t you share a list of your favorite salmon farms? Let us know why you approve, where you buy, and evidence that their farming practices produce healthy fish. That would actually advance the conversation and help everyone.
Well, my original statement was meant to correct the one you made about salmon coloring, which was an obtuse statement that was more of a scare tactic around farm raised salmon than an actual informed opinion.
As far as farms, it would wholly depend on what is available. Maine and Faroh island farms for the most part are all RAS farms that are ASC or MSC certified, generally if they are those they are good to go. New Zealand and Norway have some very good salmon farming practices as well. Canada is crap. When in doubt, can always defer to the Monterey Bay Aquairium Seafood Watch. While they are focused a little more on sustainability, their recomendations are usually good enough.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Are they grain fed?
Well, my original statement was meant to correct the one you made about salmon coloring, which was an obtuse statement that was more of a scare tactic around farm raised salmon than an actual informed opinion.
As far as farms, it would wholly depend on what is available. Maine and Faroh island farms for the most part are all RAS farms that are ASC or MSC certified, generally if they are those they are good to go. New Zealand and Norway have some very good salmon farming practices as well. Canada is crap. When in doubt, can always defer to the Monterey Bay Aquairium Seafood Watch. While they are focused a little more on sustainability, their recomendations are usually good enough.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:23 pm to Big Scrub TX
The farm raised salmon? I’m not aware of any farm raised salmon that isn’t.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:32 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Well, that's enough to be bad, no matter what quality the other aspects you mentioned.
The farm raised salmon? I’m not aware of any farm raised salmon that isn’t.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 5:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Well, that's enough to be bad, no matter what quality the other aspects you mentioned.
Bad? No.
That’s like saying anything other than grass fed beef is bad. No, you may prefer grass fed and there are reasons to have the preference which is fine, but grain fed beef is not “bad” because it is grain fed.
Let’s get back to the original point I took exception to, coloring.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:10 pm to OGtigerfan87
Salmon on the traeger is one of my favorite things to cook these days. Albertsons has it on sale for $6-7/lb often and one slab feeds the wife & I several times. Cook to 145 and it’s $$.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 6:15 pm to Uncle JackD
Super easy in the air fryer too. Tons of great recipes out there.
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:22 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Bad, yes. An animal that would never otherwise be exposed to such a food is now given a diet almost exclusively that. That is bad. There's no reason to believe that's a good outcome.
Bad? No.
That’s like saying anything other than grass fed beef is bad. No, you may prefer grass fed and there are reasons to have the preference which is fine, but grain fed beef is not “bad” because it is grain fed.
Same reason I don't eat pork that's been fed stale oreos and other industrial food byproducts like that.
quote:Not all astaxanthin is made the same. I prefer to have mine come from the ocean from the salmon eating other creatures in their natural diet that have it. The shite from the farms is a petroleum product.
Let’s get back to the original point I took exception to, coloring.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 9/29/25 at 9:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Bad, yes. An animal that would never otherwise be exposed to such a food is now given a diet almost exclusively that. That is bad. There's no reason to believe that's a good outcome.
It’s not bad, I’m sorry. Saying so is folly. We’ve introduced animals to a lot of foods that they would have never been introduced to, that is extremely beneficial to them. You’re welcome to your preference and that is perfectly fine. There is a difference in having a preference and saying something is not good for you or you should never eat it, which is what I responded to.
What exactly do you think is in salmon feed? It is not nearly the same as the pork example you give below. Night and day honestly. This isn’t 50 years ago. There are bad farms as I’ve already said, but you can look up exactly what individual farms feed is composed of.
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Not all astaxanthin is made the same. I prefer to have mine come from the ocean from the salmon eating other creatures in their natural diet that have it. The shite from the farms is a petroleum product.
It is odd how much you deal in absolute and act like every farm is the same
you do understand that not all farms use synthetic astaxanthin right? If that’s an important aspect, you don’t have to eat that type of farm raised salmon. Synthetic astaxanthin hasn’t been shown to be unsafe. You personally don’t want it, that’s perfectly fine. And again, as I’ve said multiple times now, there are perfectly good reasons to prefer either one over the other. I’m not telling anyone what they should or should not eat. This is a health board and I’m going to call out objectively wrong things that are being said. There is nothing unhealthy or bad about farm raised salmon. Playing devil’s advocate with how much you seem to be careful with what you’re eating and what it eats, I find tbe disregard for being able to know exactly what the salmon was fed odd. With wild salmon, you have no idea what it ate or what the food it ate, had eaten. They have a higher risk for contaminants and parasites because of this. Does that mean wild salmon is bad? Absolutely not. To reiterate my first post, neither farm or wild is inherently bad, just different. They are both good and depending on what you value, one will be better for your individual situation.
This post was edited on 9/29/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 10:36 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Corn
What exactly do you think is in salmon feed?
quote:Sure. I want to avoid the ones that use synthetic astaxanthin...and corn.
you do understand that not all farms use synthetic astaxanthin right? If that’s an important aspect, you don’t have to eat that type of farm raised salmon. Synthetic astaxanthin hasn’t been shown to be unsafe. You personally don’t want it, that’s perfectly fine.
quote:I'm not sure what this statement means. Are you alleging there have been studies?
Synthetic astaxanthin hasn’t been shown to be unsafe.
quote:Like with industrial oils, I don't need any extra info for me to know that I don't want to put in my body: an animal kept in a pen, fed industrial grains and petroleum-based chemicals. You feel free to believe that a lifetime of polluting your cells with that melange is harmless.
There is nothing unhealthy or bad about farm raised salmon.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 11:21 am to OGtigerfan87
Salmon .....I grilled a bunch last night and we will eat on it for 3 or 4 days. Did salmon w/ corn, asparagus and baked tater last night, salmon burger tonight and salmon tacos Wednesday and if any is left, Thursday as well. I love tuna too but generally eat it just once
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Corn
That's it? You think all we are feeding them is corn and astaxanthin? I mean, there are many that aren't fed corn at all, but I guess we can overlook that.
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Sure. I want to avoid the ones that use synthetic astaxanthin...and corn.
Great, do so. What part of having a preference is a very different thing than trying to tell people on a health board that they should avoid something altogether is not clear?
You realize that there is farm raised salmon that does not feed them corn and does not use synthetic astaxanthin, right? So wouldn't you agree that saying you should never eat farm raised salmon is a dumb statement?
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I'm not sure what this statement means. Are you alleging there have been studies?
Yes, it has been studied.
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Like with industrial oils, I don't need any extra info for me to know that I don't want to put in my body: an animal kept in a pen, fed industrial grains and petroleum-based chemicals. You feel free to believe that a lifetime of polluting your cells with that melange is harmless.
for the 100th time, how do you not understand the difference in you having a prefernce and trying to instruct people never to do something or that something is unhealthy for them (objectively wrong) because you have a specific preference?
Nobody is saying YOU have to eat farm raised salmon. I am saying it is harmful and fear mongering to tell people that are looking to eat healthier, that they should completely avoid something healthy because of either archaic and naive/uniformed opinons or personal prefernces.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 1:58 pm to Zappas Stache
How do you do your salmon burgers? Don't know if i've ever tried to do a burger out of salmon.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:16 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Dude, go be up your butt with someone else. Of course people should sort for whatever criteria they want. In general, farmed is worse than wild. If you are STARVING and someone offers you farmed, of course, eat farmed.
Great, do so. What part of having a preference is a very different thing than trying to tell people on a health board that they should avoid something altogether is not clear?
You realize that there is farm raised salmon that does not feed them corn and does not use synthetic astaxanthin, right? So wouldn't you agree that saying you should never eat farm raised salmon is a dumb statement?
quote:Link? To my understanding, it's really only regulatory bodies that have "deemed safe" the substance...by relying on rat toxicity studies.
Yes, it has been studied.
I'm not aware of any substantial corpus of research on humans consuming synthetic astaxanthin via farmed salmon. And for direct human supplementation of synthetic astaxanthin, it has not been approved or studied. Only natural is.
quote:You're drawing a distinction without a difference. As you said - this is a health board. My recommendations (which people can take or leave) are based on consuming whole, natural foods. That is the most healthful, especially over the very long-term.
or the 100th time, how do you not understand the difference in you having a prefernce and trying to instruct people never to do something or that something is unhealthy for them (objectively wrong) because you have a specific preference?
quote:It's unhealthy to put toxic junk - even at very low doses - in your body over long periods of time. I'm not saying it's poisonous in the sense that rat poison is (i.e. kill you with one dose). I'm saying it's just another cog in the relentless stream of industrial foods that likely cause cellular damage over time.
Nobody is saying YOU have to eat farm raised salmon. I am saying it is harmful and fear mongering to tell people that are looking to eat healthier, that they should completely avoid something healthy because of either archaic and naive/uniformed opinons or personal prefernces.
My opinion is entirely informed. You have looked at the corpus of evidence and deemed it healthy. I disagree. You seem to have a huge problem with that.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 6:43 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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How do you do your salmon burgers?
A piece of grilled salmon and I'll mix up a chipotle mayo and put a tomato slice and lettuce on it or mix a ginger and wasabi mayo and put fresh mint, basil and cilantro if I have it, on the burger....and maybe a tomato slice. I'll use the same mayo mix options for my salmon tacos. Another good mayo mix option, but I mostly use it with white fish rather than salmon or tuna, is a Gochujang mayo.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
Was going to respond to more, but I’ll just ask this. Why is a farm raised salmon that isn’t fed corn and uses natural astaxanthin toxic?
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 7:19 pm to Zappas Stache
Thanks. I was thinking you meant you made like actual burger patties with it. Sounds like a great sandwich though.
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