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Rep scheme for paused deadlifts?

Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:18 pm
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:18 pm
I subbed conventional deadlifts for paused deadlifts. From what I have found, it has good carry over to traditional deadlifts. I’m doing a reset to work on various things. My question is rep scheme. Is this the kind of exercise that I can plug into my base GSLP program? (2x5; AMRAPx1), or should I do a 5x5 scheme? Or something else?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:22 pm to
Pause is usually an assistance since it's submax and usually low set and reps although it can be a main move.

Don't know about GSLP.

What's your reasoning behind doing them? What's your weakness?
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 7:23 pm
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 7:51 pm to
Bracing. At the pause, I’m really forced to squeeze like a sumbitch. Takes the pressure off my lower back which had been a problem.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:01 pm to
While that will help, what videos are you watching for your form and setup?

I'm concerned that your setup is what is wrong and why your back is messing up.
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:05 pm to
Squat University has various videos.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:23 pm to
I'm a much bigger fan of isometric deads for your needs. The downside I found when I implemented paused deads is I got less explosive. Isometric deads have helped me without lowering power.

If you want to make a 1 for 1 substitution, you can. Paused deads require a lower load, and if it isn't a long pause, your time under tension won't increase dramatically.

I'd recommend trying 1 for 1 subs for regular deads, then adjusting for form. If you find form breakdown, I would cut reps before weight.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:26 pm to
I mean you specifically. Is that all you have watched on form?

What about Juggernaut, Brian alsruhe, Chris duffin, omarisuf with Jeremy Hamilton, or Dave Tate?

Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:30 pm to
No I haven’t watched those.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

isometric deads


I’m not familiar.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:41 pm to
Isometric deads:

LINK

If you want starting position stability, I'd recommend setting the pins as low as possible.

Major upside of isometrics for me was that paused deads require you to decelerate when you pause for form work. Isometrics, you get your form/tightness work, but you have to pull as hard as you can to maintain position.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 8:51 pm to
So would that be a sub for conventional deads? Or an accessory?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:06 pm to
I'd sub it. Isometric deads are more tiring for me than regular deads. If you do it right, you're exerting max effort for like 4-5 seconds, just in the fixed position.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:13 pm to
How long should I do isometrics until I go back to conventional? And I’m asssuming I don’t need to use heavy weight?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 9:55 pm to
I would suggest maybe rotating weeks and doing isometrics one week and full range the next.

You'll gain a lot of stability, but it helps to have practice in the rest of the movement, hip hinging, etc., at least personally. Low isometrics are great for spinal stability, back tightness and initial leg drive, but the reduction in ROM does have an effect. If you do them hard, every other week should be plenty, IMO.

Yeah, if you're pulling to low pins, I'd use 50% of 1 RM or so. You'll get there with some speed and have to hold position when you get a dead stop.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

Hu_Flung_Pu


I found a 9 min video on deadlift setup by Brian Alsruhe. I’ll start with that one and get through your other suggestions. Thanks for the names.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 10:49 pm to
no prob. Those are some of the best I've found
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22574 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:00 pm to
Isometrics are very taxing on the CNS.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:41 am to
quote:

Isometrics are very taxing on the CNS.


I'd agree, although regular deads are high up there too. One reason I think he'd be fine every other week if he used them.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:08 am to
I only do deads on wednesday. Would rotating lifts weekly still be enough work for the two variants?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 11:56 am to
quote:

I only do deads on wednesday. Would rotating lifts weekly still be enough work for the two variants?


I think so, although if you start it and it's not working, I'd adjust.

As I read your goals, they are to use a block of deadlift variant to address stability, positioning and power off the floor.

The upsides of a 1, 2 rotation between normal deads and isometrics are: keeping practice in the normal movement. Being able to see the effect on your normal dead in real time. Isometrics are hard, so it won't blow your fatigue ratio away.

Cons: you'll obviously progress the training effect faster if you did nothing but isometrics. For me, the potential con isn't a big enough drawback, because your ultimate goal is still the full range dead.

As HFP said, isometrics can stress your CNS. When I went too hard with them, my hands would shake uncontrollably a little after, which is my personal sign that I fried myself too hard in a workout. A gradual build into them hopefully helps you build strength as you get a sense of how they work for you in building strength.
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