re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

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My training looks like:

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I'm running the Hal Higdon Novice 2 but will need to start a little later into the program. Depending on how well my newborn sleeps through the night over the next few weeks, I might supplement some extra runs in the plan. Max mileage is a 36 mile week a little over halfway through. I was doing around 30 miles a week for a half marathon, so I'll want more total mileage before attempting the big race.

Procrastination ramblings:

I think I'm just going to go sort of helter skelter to train for this Aug 4 mountain 15k and then start the marathon plan.

After that, I'll need to rework my HR zones, threshold, VO max, and as I mentioned figure out the best way to do this with my keto-ish diet.

Half marathon distance is fine with just my homemade electrolyte drink and some form of MCT or exogenous ketones (although I can do it with just electrolytes--but very slow).

A full is going to require fuel. Maybe carb cycling, super starch etc. I'm Researching crazy Ben Greenfield stuff. He's such a quack on some stuff that it's hard to filter.

The 15k training should give me a good base for the marathon. The most gain I've run in a race is 1700, rolling over a half marathon. But those were in Aspen with zero time to adjust from near-sea level, so my goal was to just survive.

I really don't know how to train for 2200ft gain over 4.65 miles (and then same loss for second 4.65), other than just finding some elevation-change in Atlanta to run. Fortunately, max elevation for that race is under 8k, so altitude is not much of an issue.

Humidity is sapping me.
I'm normally in MT all summer, but had/have to be in South most of June through July. I got some nice elevation-gain runs in out there in June but have been mostly in pretty flat areas since.

Anyway, I'm back in hilly Atlanta now. I think I'll do some Stone Mtn, Kennesaw Mtn, and maybe Blood Mtn. I may make myself do some treadmill incline but I hate that and it is hard on knees etc.

If it isn't storming, I'm going to do a long burner before sunset this evening--83 w 71 dew point. Shouldn't be too miserable. I'll post results.

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After that, I'll need to rework my HR zones, threshold, VO max, and as I mentioned figure out the best way to do this with my keto-ish diet.

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I'm kind of playing with this. I've never been an anti-carb person. Actually argue against low carb people when they say there is no use for carbs. But my activity level has severely dropped and I obviously started putting on lbs. Figured I'd hit the gym while it's hot and I'm too lazy to do the endurance stuff. Been very low carb just to straighten up my horrific eating habits which are only acceptable when training 12+ hours a week.

But yesterday I did a 30 minute run on an off day from the gym. Just eating very low carb for 4 days and it was a miserable feeling . A lot had to do with the heat, but I really felt out of it.

I'd like to get down to 160 again (upper 170's now) to do a Marathon and half iron in the spring, so some training will probably overlap with me still being on this diet. Hoping I'm still in the phase of getting used to the new diet. Not strict Keto or anything, but eating as few carbs as possible to help reduce calories. I've heard of the "Keto Flu" and don't think I have that since it's only during activity, but at the end of the run, it felt like that.

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I've heard of the "Keto Flu" and don't think I have that since it's only during activity, but at the end of the run, it felt like that.

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yeah, i shed electrolytes insanely, and without replenishing i hit the wall badly. i regularly run 10-15 miles on 16 to 24 hour fasts and firmly in nutritional ketosis. but without electrolyte supplementing, I'm toast.

i've been running with a nerdy hydration belt --it's the camelback with four 8oz bottles. i usually do two with high electrolytes (just salt and potassium citrate + real lemon and stevia or similar). I'll also do all four electrolytes and carry a 32oz frozen water bladder that i can refill or just fold up along the way. no keto flu type issues when i do these things. and the ice keeps me cooler in miserable months.

I’m really itching to get out. But I promised myself I would take off this week to fully recover.

I’m sure I’ll get over it real quick once I get a few miles in this heat though

Got in my quick 3 today. About 7:50 pace.

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You speedsters better let me catch up.

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Do you do any sprint workouts? If not, you need to be doing 1 weekly.

Will drastically help your speed.

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Do you do any sprint workouts? If not, you need to be doing 1 weekly.

Will drastically help your speed.

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I did a few yesterday. I'm planning on incorporating 400s soon. Also need to add in strength work.

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Some of that performance can definitely be attributed to speedwork, but a lot was just a huge increase in fitness. Speedwork won't turn a 10:00 easy pace person into a 7:30 easy pace person overnight. It takes years of base miles.

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Correct. But speedwork will help your overall fitness moreso than just the same tempo runs. Speedwork works different muscles.

It took me a solid year to bring my 5k time down from 21 minutes to 19 minutes.

But I attribute that to speedwork. I wasn't getting faster just running the same distance at the same speed every day.

Plus speedwork is just plain fun