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Keto Vs. Vegan

Posted on 8/19/17 at 7:04 am
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/19/17 at 7:04 am
(TL;DR at bottom)

I am looking to get back into shape and have been out of the game for a number of years. Back in the day I ate a balanced diet and just counted calories to lose weight. However, I have to wonder if there's a better way.

Doing research online I have come across two camps of people -- the whole food vegans and the Keto low-carb people. These people espouse diets 100% diametrically opposed to one another and both claim the science is on their side. Both of them are right to some degree: You can find studies that suggest keto is awesome and other studies that say vegan is the only way.

Both camps also use the "our ancestors ate this" argument. The Keto people point to the paleolithic age and the vegans just say shite like "Humans were made to eat plants." The truth is that both are correct. Humans have eaten exclusively plants and exclusively meats depending on the time period and location. (Some humans ate both). However, the mere fact we know what they ate tells us nothing about how HEALTHY those ancient humans were. What if they all died at 35?

I've seen studies about saturated fat and there's zero doubt (none) that it correlates with cardiovascular disease. The American Heart Association and numerous university centers (like Harvard) say that the science is conclusive. The keto people try to spin this as a "conspiracy" among scientists to sell whole grain foods. But the whole foods people aren't immune from conspiracy mongering either. Plenty of of them buy into various conspiracies relating to drug companies, etc.

So can any baws help me out? I feel like the extremes (low carb and low fat) are both quackery. We know plant diets aren't sufficient in some essential nutrients (like B-12) which means you cannot survive on it without supplementation. Therefore, this means such a diet is not natural no matter what the religious followers say.

On the other hand, there is good evidence that too many carbs causes diabetes and even heart disease in some people. We also know that not eating meat does not mean you'll be slim. There's obese vegans out there ("dirty" vegans who eat anything except meat).

My opinion: We have a lot to learn. The fact there's still this much controversy about diets just proves the human body is far more complex than most admit. I suspect there are genetic factors that determine what diet is right for any individual. We know, for instance, that some ancient humans ate lots of dairy (milk and cheese) and over time they developed a gene for lactose tolerance that other ancient humans did not have. This means lactose is only good for those people with the genes to tolerate it (most Asians cannot tolerate it). This is why your grandma can smoke until she's 90 while Joe Blow died of a heart attack from smoking at 40. It's all genetics, baws.

TL;DR - So what's a guy to do? Do I zero carb it or eat only plants? Is there scientific consensus on this topic?
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6238 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 7:20 am to
Neither. Thousands of years ago people followed these "diets" because they had to. You have access to pretty much any meat, veggie, fruit, fat source, or carb you can think of. Why would you limit yourself and drastically change lifestyles? If you're new to dieting (or in your case trying to get back in) and start cold turkey you need to slowly build into something that intense. There are plenty of diets out there that can help you get to your goal. The ones that give you more freedom in regards to what you can eat are going to be the ones more sustainable long term.

All that said there are tons of people that follow these and get the job done. At the end of the day the best diet is the one you will actually follow.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
8817 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:16 am to
For what it's worth, i had some testing done by a lab that works with pro athletes and is top notch, the feedback I got from them was that they NEVER see good bloodwork and micronutrient profiles on people following a restrictive diet.

I do my best to eat with the seasons; pretty much keto in the winter, practically gorge on local fruits spring though summer, then local tubers in late summer and fall.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27004 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 1:00 pm to
WTF man!!!?

Gonna start a damned rumble!

:Popcorn emoticon:
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6238 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 2:53 pm to
If you're really serious about it I would focus on quality of food first. Start slowly cutting out processed foods from your diet. Things like highly processed meats, GMO foods, non-organic foods, fast food, etc. these will all negatively effect your body and your ability to absorb nutrients. Quality food is critical when trying to add muscle and/or lose weight.

You don't put shite gas in a NASCAR and expect it to run at peak performance. Your body is the same way.

Once you've mastered eating "clean" foods you can really start tweaking macros and see how certain foods help you.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42568 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 10:08 pm to
I follow a paleo diet. It works for me. I only eat lean meats tho because of cholesterol. I eat all I want of lean meat, veggies, fruit, and nuts. I will do a potato when I need starch. Sweet potato for carbs. It is impossible to be fat on this diet. B
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:57 am to
My opinion is full keto is a bit much. I've been doing lazy keto since the first of the year and have dropped around 30 pounds. It has also dropped my cholesterol and triglyceride levels into the acceptable range.

The keto macro for me was limiting my carbs to 20-25g per day. I aim for around 40-45 though, and pretty much ignore it on the weekends. There are certain carb heavy things I love too much to fully abandon - pizza, beer, and ice cream namely.
Posted by thibtigerfan
Thibodaux
Member since Aug 2006
2460 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:03 pm to
Listened to a good Ben Bergeron podcast this weekend. He put it quite simply. 3 rules:

1. Eat real whole foods
2. Not too much of them
3. Mostly plants
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