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Jeff Cavalier's method - No bulking/cutting cycles, no calorie counting or food measuring
Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:23 pm
What do you all think of this approach?
I watch his videos(Athlean-X) and he basically thinks bulking/cutting is necessary, and doesn't measure food or count calories. He said you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time as long as you eat clean, eat at a slight caloric deficit and maintain positive nitrogen balance(otherwise known as eating enough protein) and therefore you can stay lean all year and gain muscle without needing to do bulking and cut cycles. This video he has is a primer: LINK
His diet plan is pretty much intuitively eating clean foods that you like and being able to sustain that in the long run. Take a plate, fill half of it with lean protein, half with fiborous carbs like veggies and half with starchy carbs(his favorites are oatmeal, sweet potato and couscous). Listen to your body if you need to eat more or less and eat (healthy) snacks throughout the day as well to maintain a constant stream of protein.
I was skeptical about this approach but starting at New Years I decided to give this approach a shot. I am 7 weeks in now and while my weight has gone down a couple pounds from New Years, I feel bigger, and a lot more defined and lean and my before & after photos definitely look better. I wouldn't say I am shredded but you can see my 6 pack more and I am more vascular. Not sure if its working as intended but I do think I have done a better job with food choices and portions which may be why I am looking better. I told myself I would run this until the end of March Madness so early April and see where I am at.
I've done this diet approach using a push-pull-legs workout split(3 days on, 1 day off) and no cardio outside of however many steps a day I walk(according to my phone its about 5000).
My typical daily meal plan generally consists of this:
Breakfast/Pre Workout:
Bowl of Pumpkin Oatmeal with Walnuts
Egg Whites
Almond Milk Protein Shake
Post Workout:
Whole Grain Pasta with Extra Lean Ground Beef and Tomato Sauce OR Brown Rice with Taco Seasoned Extra Lean Ground Beef and Black Beans
Side of mixed veggies(Broccoli, Cauliflower, Carrots)
Lunch
Couscous(No Olive Oil)
Tilapia, Shrimp, or Bay Scallops
Side of mixed veggies(Broccoli, Cauliflower, Carrots)
Snacks Choices(Usually eat 1 or 2 snacks a day):
Quest Bars
Trail Mix(Consisting of Kashi Cereal, Semisweet Chocolate Chips, and Almonds)
Natural Peanut Butter Sandwiches on Whole Wheat Bread
Tuna Sandwiches on Whole Wheat Bread with Low Fat Mayo
Cottage Cheese
Mozzerella Cheese Sticks
Dinner:
Grilled Chicken Tenderloins Seasoned with Dry Marinade
Sweet Potatoes
Mixed Veggies(Carrots, Cauliflower and Broccoli)
Pre-Bed:
Casein Protein with Almond Milk and Powdered Peanut Butter
Stats:
30 year old male, 6'1
Start - 170.2 pounds, 13.3% body fat (Submerge Method)
Current: 168.4 pounds, ??? body fat
Latest Reps:
Bench - 235x7
Gironda Neck Press - 135x8x8 with 30 secs rest
Dead Lift(still working on perfecting form) - 315x4
Squat(still working on perfecting form) - 285x6
Overhead Press - 130x6 (1 sec Pause on Chest between reps, straight legs)
Weighted Pull Ups - +20 pounds x 8 (controlled descent, straight legs, no kipping)
Weighed Chin Ups - +22.5 pounds x 9 (controlled descent, straight legs, no kipping, squeeze biceps at top)
Hang Clean - 185 x 8
I watch his videos(Athlean-X) and he basically thinks bulking/cutting is necessary, and doesn't measure food or count calories. He said you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time as long as you eat clean, eat at a slight caloric deficit and maintain positive nitrogen balance(otherwise known as eating enough protein) and therefore you can stay lean all year and gain muscle without needing to do bulking and cut cycles. This video he has is a primer: LINK
His diet plan is pretty much intuitively eating clean foods that you like and being able to sustain that in the long run. Take a plate, fill half of it with lean protein, half with fiborous carbs like veggies and half with starchy carbs(his favorites are oatmeal, sweet potato and couscous). Listen to your body if you need to eat more or less and eat (healthy) snacks throughout the day as well to maintain a constant stream of protein.
I was skeptical about this approach but starting at New Years I decided to give this approach a shot. I am 7 weeks in now and while my weight has gone down a couple pounds from New Years, I feel bigger, and a lot more defined and lean and my before & after photos definitely look better. I wouldn't say I am shredded but you can see my 6 pack more and I am more vascular. Not sure if its working as intended but I do think I have done a better job with food choices and portions which may be why I am looking better. I told myself I would run this until the end of March Madness so early April and see where I am at.
I've done this diet approach using a push-pull-legs workout split(3 days on, 1 day off) and no cardio outside of however many steps a day I walk(according to my phone its about 5000).
My typical daily meal plan generally consists of this:
Breakfast/Pre Workout:
Bowl of Pumpkin Oatmeal with Walnuts
Egg Whites
Almond Milk Protein Shake
Post Workout:
Whole Grain Pasta with Extra Lean Ground Beef and Tomato Sauce OR Brown Rice with Taco Seasoned Extra Lean Ground Beef and Black Beans
Side of mixed veggies(Broccoli, Cauliflower, Carrots)
Lunch
Couscous(No Olive Oil)
Tilapia, Shrimp, or Bay Scallops
Side of mixed veggies(Broccoli, Cauliflower, Carrots)
Snacks Choices(Usually eat 1 or 2 snacks a day):
Quest Bars
Trail Mix(Consisting of Kashi Cereal, Semisweet Chocolate Chips, and Almonds)
Natural Peanut Butter Sandwiches on Whole Wheat Bread
Tuna Sandwiches on Whole Wheat Bread with Low Fat Mayo
Cottage Cheese
Mozzerella Cheese Sticks
Dinner:
Grilled Chicken Tenderloins Seasoned with Dry Marinade
Sweet Potatoes
Mixed Veggies(Carrots, Cauliflower and Broccoli)
Pre-Bed:
Casein Protein with Almond Milk and Powdered Peanut Butter
Stats:
30 year old male, 6'1
Start - 170.2 pounds, 13.3% body fat (Submerge Method)
Current: 168.4 pounds, ??? body fat
Latest Reps:
Bench - 235x7
Gironda Neck Press - 135x8x8 with 30 secs rest
Dead Lift(still working on perfecting form) - 315x4
Squat(still working on perfecting form) - 285x6
Overhead Press - 130x6 (1 sec Pause on Chest between reps, straight legs)
Weighted Pull Ups - +20 pounds x 8 (controlled descent, straight legs, no kipping)
Weighed Chin Ups - +22.5 pounds x 9 (controlled descent, straight legs, no kipping, squeeze biceps at top)
Hang Clean - 185 x 8
Posted on 2/18/19 at 1:30 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
The man knows his shite but I cannot stand listening to him for more than 10 seconds
Posted on 2/18/19 at 6:05 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
I believe everything except your hang clean stat
Posted on 2/18/19 at 6:07 pm to SabiDojo
I just like crappy food too much to do his thing. The man eats carrot cake once a year and that's pretty much as crazy as he gets. Can't do it.
I still watch his stuff and respect him, though. I like the anatomy/physiology based exercises and rationales he has for certain workouts.
I still watch his stuff and respect him, though. I like the anatomy/physiology based exercises and rationales he has for certain workouts.
Posted on 2/18/19 at 7:09 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
The man knows his shite but I cannot stand listening to him for more than 10 seconds
Yep he is almost always spot on
He’s Antonio Brown’s strength and conditioning coach in the off season
But my word I can’t make it through 3 mins of one of his YouTube videos
Posted on 2/18/19 at 7:58 pm to SabiDojo
quote:how can you not count calories and know for sure you’re in a calorice deficit
watch his videos(Athlean-X) and he basically thinks bulking/cutting is necessary, and doesn't measure food or count calories. He said you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time as long as you eat clean, eat at a slight caloric defici
Posted on 2/18/19 at 8:21 pm to jimbeam
quote:
how can you not count calories and know for sure you’re in a calorice deficit

Posted on 2/18/19 at 8:59 pm to jimbeam
quote:
how can you not count calories and know for sure you’re in a calorice deficit
Honestly I don't think Jeff has ever said this
This post was edited on 2/18/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:21 pm to jimbeam
I actually do count just so I had an idea of how much I was eating and what I needed to do to be in a deficit. But after a while you get good at eyeballing and don't need to count anymore. Especially if you are eating clean and being careful with foods that have much fat in it(where eyeballing can get risky), you don't need to get too granular
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:36 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
Cavalier is a very knowledgable guy and his YouTube channel is my go-to for workout and nutrition/supplementation info.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 7:46 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
I like his channel, but it seems like he’s been personally training Jessie for a few years now, and he still looks kind of skinny-fat. I’m sure Jeff has great genetics and Jessie has shite genetics, but you would think someone like Jessie who has been training for 2-3 years would have more mass.
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