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Intermittent Fasting thoughts
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:35 am
I usually do 30 day cycles. I’m on day 9 of 30 and I realized I’ve been half and halfing my coffee. A tablespoon maybe.
Am I wasting valuable fasting time? Ive read conflicting data.
Noon to 8: 1800 calories 60% protein
Am I wasting valuable fasting time? Ive read conflicting data.
Noon to 8: 1800 calories 60% protein
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 9:45 am
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 9:44 am to L S Usetheforce
Depending on how much half and half you use will probably dictate whether you break your fast. I can’t imagine it would be a big problem.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:45 pm to L S Usetheforce
According to Dr. Rhonda Patrick on the Joe Rogan podcast, even drinking black coffee is breaking your fast. Anything you eat or drink other than water is being metabolized and is breaking your fast.
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Posted on 4/30/18 at 5:46 pm to L S Usetheforce
It's not that big of a deal. You can't focus on not being perfect and not give yourself credit for all that you are doing. To knit pick, protein takes longer to digest and metabolize than carbs, is it worth changing your diet or factoring that into your fasting time? No.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 7:47 pm to L S Usetheforce
If you are hitting calorie and protein goals who cares, it's not a big deal.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 7:49 pm to JoeHackett
And there are a lot of other reputable people out there who would disagree with that statement.
Leangains says black coffee is good to go. I pound black coffee during my fast and IF has been great for me.
Leangains says black coffee is good to go. I pound black coffee during my fast and IF has been great for me.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 8:45 pm to JoeHackett
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According to Dr. Rhonda Patrick on the Joe Rogan podcast, even drinking black coffee is breaking your fast. Anything you eat or drink other than water is being metabolized and is breaking your fast.
Only for the health benefits. has no bearing on body composition and the biggest health benefit is becoming lighter, having less body fat, and not cooking your body from the inside by consuming calories every three hours.
shite doesn't matter in the grand scheme. Just hit weekly calorie goals and daily protein and fast how you would like consuming less than 30 Cal's during the fast, longer you go up to 24-36 hours the more benefits you will see from it so long as you hit calorie and protein goals.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:25 pm to lsu777
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has no bearing on body composition and the biggest health benefit is becoming lighter, having less body fat
I think what he's asking is more of TRE, he's eating everyday from 12-8 and fasting the other 16 hours. She talks about that in the video and specifically mentions that doing that will increase lean muscle mass.
She says that the first thing you eat or drink in the morning starts metabolic enzymes and that the enzymes are on a clock that last for 12 hours. Eating outside of that window can lead to insulin resistance and muscle waste. She suggests that the ideal window to eat in is 9-10 hours.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 9:47 pm to JoeHackett
And she is stupid and focusing on something that makes up less than 1% of your results is what I am saying.
Sure is it better to have nothing but water, sure but it also isn't going to make a difference in the long run. Look at Martin berkham or frick even Greg ogalleger, do they look like need to stop drinking the coke zero or coffee? frick no.
What I am saying is we can not pick this shite to death and talk about optimal this or optimal that but in the grand scheme of things weekly calorie intake and daily protein is going to make up over 90% of your results. Sure carbs only in the intra- workout window helps, not eating carbs on non workout days is optimal and so is prolly taking 20 different supplements but in the end if you hit you weekly calorie goals and eat enough protein daily to maintain muscle mass while lifting heavy, you will get to the results you want if you are consistent.
Sure is it better to have nothing but water, sure but it also isn't going to make a difference in the long run. Look at Martin berkham or frick even Greg ogalleger, do they look like need to stop drinking the coke zero or coffee? frick no.
What I am saying is we can not pick this shite to death and talk about optimal this or optimal that but in the grand scheme of things weekly calorie intake and daily protein is going to make up over 90% of your results. Sure carbs only in the intra- workout window helps, not eating carbs on non workout days is optimal and so is prolly taking 20 different supplements but in the end if you hit you weekly calorie goals and eat enough protein daily to maintain muscle mass while lifting heavy, you will get to the results you want if you are consistent.
Posted on 5/1/18 at 12:03 pm to lsu777
Ok I just started. I had black coffee at around 8:30. My question is what about other suppliments? I took a pre workout at 10:30 but I didn’t drink BCAA during like I normally would. I am assuming if I am going to do this I should look for one with very low calories.
Posted on 5/1/18 at 9:09 pm to JoeHackett
Caffeine has been shown to raise serum epinephrine, thus raise insulin levels which prevents the body from utilizing fat stores. Dose is everything though. One cup or two probably won't affect you much. If you're getting results, then don't sweat it. So many people don't realize that slow progress is still progress.
Posted on 5/1/18 at 9:20 pm to L S Usetheforce
Y’all are making skipping breakfast way too complicated.
Posted on 5/1/18 at 9:54 pm to lsu777
Lsu777, how would you approach intermittenent fasting with this schedule?
M-F
Wake 4:15AM
Start workout 5:00AM
Finish workout 6:15AM
At work by 7:00AM
SAT & SUN
No workout, possibly a light jog Saturday morning
Intermittent fasting no issue in these two days
Regarding M-F, can I wait 2-3 hours to eat after a fasted workout? If I ate at 7:00AM then I couldn’t eat past 3:00PM if I wanted to get in the 16 hour window.
M-F
Wake 4:15AM
Start workout 5:00AM
Finish workout 6:15AM
At work by 7:00AM
SAT & SUN
No workout, possibly a light jog Saturday morning
Intermittent fasting no issue in these two days
Regarding M-F, can I wait 2-3 hours to eat after a fasted workout? If I ate at 7:00AM then I couldn’t eat past 3:00PM if I wanted to get in the 16 hour window.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:47 am to pcolatiger28
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egarding M-F, can I wait 2-3 hours to eat after a fasted workout?
Yes, just wait until noon or 1 to eat lunch. Then, stop eating at 8.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:24 am to tommy2tone1999
So I am guessing I should skip the pre workout on most days since it has a lot of caffeine.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:01 am to pcolatiger28
quote:
Lsu777, how would you approach intermittenent fasting with this schedule?
M-F
Wake 4:15AM
Start workout 5:00AM
Finish workout 6:15AM
At work by 7:00AM
SAT & SUN
No workout, possibly a light jog Saturday morning
Intermittent fasting no issue in these two days
Regarding M-F, can I wait 2-3 hours to eat after a fasted workout? If I ate at 7:00AM then I couldn’t eat past 3:00PM if I wanted to get in the 16 hour window.
Have BCAA after your workout, then eat your 8 hour window as you see fit. Not a big deal and don't over think it. Plenty of studies out there that show for body comp overall calories weekly and daily protein is what matters and that IF is just a way to control those.
Now the studies do show that fat loss on IF tends to be more from would normally be considered stubborn areas and for men that is the stomach and love handles.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:04 am to bigberg2000
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So I am guessing I should skip the pre workout on most days since it has a lot of caffeine.
That's stupid, if you like a pre then take the damn pre. Plenty of studies to show that caffeine burns fat due to increased metabolism.
This is not directed at one single person, but in general......STOP frickING OVER ANALYZING EVERY DETAIL!!!! Just hit your weekly calorie goals and daily protein and you are 90+% of the way there. With a little consistency you will get what you want without being miserable and freaking out and having OCD over every little thing.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:57 am to lsu777
Haha that’s what I figure. Honestly it’s probably not the worst thing in the world to stop taking that shite anyway.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:35 pm to bigberg2000
quote:
So I am guessing I should skip the pre workout on most days since it has a lot of caffeine.
Depends, if you're not making progress and can't figure out why, you may want to consider it. There's a reason why there are so many conflicting studies...everyone is different. What works for some doesn't work for others. Despite what some believe, sometimes it's not all about calories and macros. (and sometimes it is) Experiment, find out where you get the better results, and go with that.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 2:43 pm to tommy2tone1999
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Depends, if you're not making progress and can't figure out why, you may want to consider it. There's a reason why there are so many conflicting studies...everyone is different. What works for some doesn't work for others. Despite what some believe, sometimes it's not all about calories and macros. (and sometimes it is) Experiment, find out where you get the better results, and go with that.
show one study where it is not about calories or macros in healthy individuals who don't already have metabolic damage. Its all about calories and macros unless you already have a health problem.
people just eat way more than they think they do and tend to under report by 25-30%
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