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Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:24 pm to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
Nah I think I heard it on rogan or something
But yeah it was like dang I really am trapped in this shithole so you kinda have to reframe things
But yeah it was like dang I really am trapped in this shithole so you kinda have to reframe things
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:27 pm to el Gaucho
I suggest you give it a listen. It’s only 15 minutes long, and I found it quite interesting.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 1:33 pm to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
I’ll check it out. Thanks baw
Op needs to get some jernts instead of drinking beers tho
ETA: if you’re ever feeling depressed just remember how many people depend on you for their food stamps
Op needs to get some jernts instead of drinking beers tho
ETA: if you’re ever feeling depressed just remember how many people depend on you for their food stamps
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:09 pm to el Gaucho
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ETA: if you’re ever feeling depressed just remember how many people depend on you for their food stamps
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:01 pm to King Crab
I can only speak from second hand experience after losing a family member (young happy guy, until he wasn’t) recently to alcoholism and its effects.
You are already admitting it’s going to hurt personal relationships, so all I can say is that I think you should make it your first priority, and don’t tell yourself you have it handled.
And don’t try to do it all alone. The person we lost didn’t reach out for help. Now it’s too late and he is gone.
You are already admitting it’s going to hurt personal relationships, so all I can say is that I think you should make it your first priority, and don’t tell yourself you have it handled.
And don’t try to do it all alone. The person we lost didn’t reach out for help. Now it’s too late and he is gone.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:08 pm to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
Just listened to it
I didn’t realize that rat park was the good place
Seems like only one group struggles with addiction while everybody else gets free shite in rat park
I didn’t realize that rat park was the good place
Seems like only one group struggles with addiction while everybody else gets free shite in rat park
Posted on 11/15/22 at 7:21 am to el Gaucho
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It’s pretty easy to just like stop dude
Anyone that says this has never or knows no one that has experienced addiction.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:26 pm to pwejr88
quote:This is not true. This is more AA received wisdom nonsense.
Nothing does. You’re an alcoholic or addict for life. It’s genetic. A have a friend that’s a doctor and he told me in the next two decades science will even be able to pinpoint the addict-impacted chromosome.
You cannot be cured from alcoholism. All you can do is have a daily deliverance based on your spiritual condition and outlook on life.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:30 pm to Irregardless
quote:I've said that AA CAN work for some people, but I've listed my problems with it: the insistence on alcoholism as an interminable "disease"; the insistence on this simplistic (and non-scientific) model of "just ONE DRINK and you're right back to square one!!!!" and their generally dim view of using medicines for treatment instead of their contrived process.
I don’t understand taking a dump on an institution based on fellowship and individual effort.
quote:But I DO have a better alternative: deep therapies (likely psychedelic) that give the addict an actual chance at discovering and addressing the root causes of their ailment. As another poster mentioned, the "it's genetic" model is lazy and incomplete. It's much more likely to be rooted in trauma.
Especially if you don’t have a better alternative.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:33 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:It really depends on where you go and what substance/modality you choose.
What is the ballpark cost?
I heard Ron White talking about his ayahuasca experiences as well. There are retreat centers ranging from $1000 - $15000 for that. I could easily recommend a quality experience in the $4-7K range.
Psilocybin - that's either Jamaica or the Netherlands, and you're probably talking a minimum of $5K either place. However, particularly in Jamaica, there are some very high quality facilities that carry with them a high likelihood of some form of success.
In any event...expensive relative to what? Ruining the rest of one's life? I've found that anyone who is motivated to make real change finds a way to fund.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 12:36 pm to Bama and Beer
quote:More mindless quoting of AA propaganda. It's amazing the extent to which this claptrap has taken hold in the popular consciousness.
Nothing does. The program helps you live without having to lean on booze in good or bad times of life
Once an alcoholic, always one
Instead of that, try this;
Once a sufferer of deep trauma, always a sufferer of deep trauma - until one chooses to excavate the horror and integrate it.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 1:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
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This is not true. This is more AA received wisdom nonsense.
quote:
More mindless quoting of AA propaganda. It's amazing the extent to which this claptrap has taken hold in the popular consciousness.
Says the non-alcoholic.
You do you bud. I’m speaking from personal experience.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 3:57 pm to pwejr88
quote:
Nothing does. You’re an alcoholic or addict for life. It’s genetic.
quote:
You cannot be cured from alcoholism. All you can do is have a daily deliverance based on your spiritual condition and outlook on life.
That is what you said. And now you are saying:
quote:
I’m speaking from personal experience.
So, your personal experience provided you with ironclad insight into the exact condition of tens of millions of other humans?
That isn't science - or really even empiricism. It's lazy anecdotal projection that has the potential to be highly counter-productive to the people you are just casually telling it to.
Speaking of experience - have you tried accessing your underlying trauma? Or have you just decided ahead of time that that is not possibly worthwhile?
I'm thrilled (I mean it) that you seem to have found help for whatever ailed you. But I do not agree with your attempts to just casually declare those methods as the end of the road (as well as making factual declarations around addiction that simply are not true - at least not for most people.)
Posted on 11/15/22 at 4:32 pm to Big Scrub TX
Idk how you’re supposed to address underlying trauma
You mean like quit paying taxes?
You mean like quit paying taxes?
Posted on 11/15/22 at 4:35 pm to el Gaucho
quote:Traditionally, it's been talk therapy and related modalities. I am putting forth in this thread that the most effective is deep, guided psychedelic work (essentially, talk therapy with medicine).
Idk how you’re supposed to address underlying trauma
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Psilocybin - that's either Jamaica or the Netherlands, and you're probably talking a minimum of $5K either place. However, particularly in Jamaica, there are some very high quality facilities that carry with them a high likelihood of some form of success.
Have centers not started cropping up in Oregeon and Colorado? Surprising if not, since both states have legalized psilocybin.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:27 pm to hogfly
quote:Oregon legalized in November 2020, and have been working through the regs and all since then. It's basically going live in January. I'm interested to see how it works out there - my guess is they will find a way to screw it up. (e.g. there was a big brouhaha last year around not having enough bipoc or whatever involved in the new system. It's like, do you understand how few non-whites live in Oregon?)
Have centers not started cropping up in Oregeon and Colorado?
Colorado just approved last week, so I imagine it will be awhile. If you want a fulsome experience at retreat centers that have been doing it for years and served thousands of guests, I would recommend Jamaica.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 9:20 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yes. My personal experience that relates to the millions of other alcoholics that have quit drinking. That’s what the goal is.
But once again, you’re speaking on something you can’t relate to. You’re not an alcoholic so quit trying. The nonsense you’re spewing is the exact reason so many people try to quit drinking and it never works for them.
Non-alcoholics have no business giving advice on how to get and stay sober.
But once again, you’re speaking on something you can’t relate to. You’re not an alcoholic so quit trying. The nonsense you’re spewing is the exact reason so many people try to quit drinking and it never works for them.
Non-alcoholics have no business giving advice on how to get and stay sober.
This post was edited on 11/15/22 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 11/15/22 at 11:34 pm to pwejr88
quote:Ridiculous - and arrogant.
My personal experience that relates to the millions of other alcoholics that have quit drinking.
quote:Terrible logic.
But once again, you’re speaking on something you can’t relate to. You’re not an alcoholic so quit trying.
quote:Nonsense? You mean like my assertion that deep, underlying trauma leads to substance abuse? Or my other "nonsensical" claim that psychedelics can help access such? Or my CRAZY submission that it's a poor model of addiction to pretend that everyone is just one drink away from madness?
The nonsense you’re spewing is the exact reason so many people try to quit drinking and it never works for them.
quote:So, it's further you assertion that the only competent addiction counselors/therapists/practitioners are those that are themselves alcoholics?
Non-alcoholics have no business giving advice on how to get and stay sober.
At first, I thought you were at least posting in good faith. Now I see you're just acting stupid for stupidity's sake. Good luck to you.
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