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How to put weight on HS athlete

Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:14 am
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:14 am
so this question has been asked multiple times, so wanted to make a thread on this....How do you get your HS athlete to put on weight?

This thread is how I advise people to fuel an underweight male high school athlete that is in a proper lifting program. If your kid is under 150lbs they need to be on a linear progression…I suggest starting strength or Greyskull lp or 531 beginner prep school. They have to ADD WEIGHT TO THE BAR!!!

First thin, a teenage athlete is not you…..they do not sit in an office all day. Even during the off season it is not uncommon for them to get 15k steps in a day and a metabolism that burns 3k+ calories per day. They need fuel to grow, its very important you understand this concept. They don’t need certain diets like keto, vegan, carnivore etc….they need to eat, period. Real food in big portions.

1) A Male HS athlete should be at a minimum playing weight of 2.5x their height in inches. Ideal would be 2.75-3x. Exceptions would be lineman in football which can get up to 3.5-3.75x. This is for all sports, but especially the field sports of football and baseball. Female field athletes are best in the 2-2.75 range. The taller they are the more they can support these upper numbers. What does this look like for the male athlete…..

a. 5’10=70” x 2.5= 175 minimal playing weight, 190-210 optimal
b. 6’=72” x 2.5= 180 minimal playing weight, 195- 215 optimal
c. 6’2=74” x 2.5 = 185 minimal playing weight, 205-225 optimal
d. 6’4= 76” x 2.5= 190 minimal playing weight, 210-230 optimal

You can do the same calculations for females using the 2x multiplier as minimum and 2.5-2.75 as optimal. These numbers are not just made up, see image below for multipliers for mlb players. Field sports are contact sports or require lots of force. These minimal body weights are there to minimize risk of injury. Body weight is important for performance and health.

2) A HS athlete needs 5 solid meals plus liquid calories daily to fuel their weight gain. The easiest way to ensure they do this is:
a. 1000 calories before lunch
b. 3 meals before 3pm
c. Bring lunch every day. The luncheaze battery powered food warmer lunch box is the perfect vehicle for this to ensure they have a hot lunch. Having a 2nd that has food ready at 3pm also is a great investment.

3) Every person on the planet that does not have kidney issues and isn’t preparing for a bodybuilding show, should be on creatine, 5g of creapure monohydrate daily. This is for mental health and growth, along with muscle growth. It is pretty important.

4) So where do we start? I tend to have kids that are playing sports start at around 3500 calories. I usually have them start with something like the following, this is similar to what my pre-teen kids eat in a day:

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:14 am to
• Breakfast- Breakfast burrito- I split this into 2 meals. The eggs and beef can be made in bulk twice weekly to make mornings easy and quick.
o 2 scrambled eggs mixed with 1/3 cup of low fat cottage cheese (mixed before scrambled in ninja)
o 3oz 88/12 ground beef seasoned and browned
o ¼ cup shredded cheese
o 1 large burrito flour tortillas
I combine the following, add some mayo if you would like and roll into a breakfast burrito. I cut in half and have them eat 1 before school, then another as early as they can. This can also just be eaten at once if they would like. This gives them about 950-1000 calories to start the day when you combine with a big glass of Fairlife chocolate milk. This is about ~60g protein to start the day. Creatine can be taken at this time. Some easy way to sneak calories in here if needed later on is to mush in a little butter into the scrambled eggs, replace the milk with a fairlife core power protein shake….even adding small amounts of EVOO to the protein or replacing the 88/12 with 85/15 or even 80/20. Can also add another egg and more cottage cheese. Ground beef can be substituted for ground sausage, bacon, etc. just want to keep the protein and calories up here.
Easy meal here too is to get the jimmy dean meat lovers simple scrambles cup. Mix as directed but add an extra egg, add extra ½ cup of jimmy dean meat lovers crumble and some shredded cheese. Mix and microwave. Add to burrito with whatever else you like. This will get them plenty of calories, is easy to cook and will still get them 40g protein. Add some milk or protein shake and you have easy meal any kid, even elementary school, can make.

• Lunch-Meat and Rice this can be premixed 2x weekly to make ease of use. Chicken thighs, ground meat, even leaner pork can be substituted here. Mix it up with different seasonings etc.
o 8oz rotisserie chicken- I like to buy 2 from sams and pull off the bone and separate into 8oz zip lock bags. You can keep 3-4 days worth in fridge and put rest in freezer to easily defrost.
o 1 pack of the uncle bens jasmine rice microwavable pack. These can be bought in bulk at sams/Costco. Takes 90s to cook perfect rice.
What I do for my boys(they only have thermos and do not have access to microwave, in the cast iron in the morning I take some butter, throw the meat in from the fridge with some trinity and some seasonings(usually Cajun but will change it up sometimes for variety) and then put rice in microwave. After everything is warm I throw the rice in and mix up. Feel free to brown the meat and deglaze the pan if you would like to a little gravy or however they like it. Rice works great at lunch as its easy to digest in larger amounts. This will get them about 850 cals and 60g+ protein. This is so easy elementary school kids can make.


• 3pm meal- Sloppy Joes- can be made in bulk
o 6oz 88/12 ground beef
o Manwich sloppy joe mix (1/4 cup is correct amount for 6oz)
o Shredded cheese
o Sandwich bread or hamburger buns.
Brown the ground beef In bulk and mix as directed. Split into couple days worth. Pile it on the bread and eat with a fork. This gets you 650-700 calories and 40g+ protein

• Dinner- this can be with the family but should be meat based with easy carbs to digest. If nothing is cooked….do couple chicken thighs 9~12 oz or ~8-10oz ground beef. Grill or brown the chicken/beef and combine pack of jasmine rice or a packet of the microwavable little potato company packets of small flavored potatoes. This will get them somewhere around 1000 calories and roughly 75-90g protein.

All in all this will put you around 3500 calories….270g protein and carbs and around 140g fat. Roughly in the 31/32/37 percentage breakdown.


This is all really easy to prepare in bulk, easy to switch the meats and seasonings to keep things fresh and most of the above has easy substitutes that every high school student should be able to cook themselves. The above is a starting point. You can easily add butter or oils to up the calories as needed or add choc milk to meals.

For many kids this amount of food is a shock to the system, so reduce the serving size if needed and start at roughly 60-70% of the above and add liquid calories like milk and juice etc to get the calories up to around 3500. You can also add fruit and veggies if you would like to any of the above but unlike an adult they should be eaten last.

The kids should weigh every Friday after taking a piss in the morning and before eating etc. if after 2 weeks they have not gained weight…. add calories. Continue this until they get to goal weight. We should be seeking to gain 3-4 pounds per month, 5-6 would be the absolute max we would want to gain. If gaining too fast, cut back on some of the added fats in the above.



If this is too much for you Aaron Ausmus of PPSA has laid out a very well thought out plan in Liftin Heavy Eatin Thick where he has you start month 1 with 3 meals a day. Month 2 moves to 4 meals a day and month 3 you move to 5 meals a day. He has grocery list and multiple meal plans listed for different days so you can get some variety. Highly recommend buying the pdf if for nothing more than a simple change of pace. LINK
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 10:51 am to
My kid mainly does gravity mtb at a high level, but he works out, rides a ton, and does a lot of dirt work with a shovel. He isn't looking to "gain weight" in the way a football player would want to, but definitely wants the lean muscle mass. The problem: he's a vegetarian (I don't want to go into the pros/cons of this choice. Suffice to say it's his choice. I am not vegetarian).

He does protein shakes + creatine

Breakfast:
1/2 Grapefruit.
Grapefruit juice.
Hashbrowns and cheese, fruit, steelcut oats.
or
Hashbrowns and cheese, yogurt, granola, fruit.

Protein bar at some point midmorning.

Lunch:
PBJ, sugar snap peas carrots, orange, cheese slices.

Midday:
Orange or apple. Protein snack.

After school:
Apple, peanut butter.

Supper:
Usually some kind of bean/legumes for protein. Veggies and greens of some kind.

Snack:
Peanut butter and something

If he were eating meat, this would be a lot easier. He tracks his protein intake and gets his 1g per lb. goals, but it's a struggle sometimes. Lots of peanut butter. He's definitely more ripped than most of his friends and far more ripped than his cycling friends (5'11, 175 lbs), but he also lifts a lot more than them (and he has good genes as both his uncles played D1 football and one of them played NFL).

Anyway, interested on your take lsu777 on good protein if you don't eat meat (once again... treat it as a thought experiment, because I know the answer is to just eat meat.. hah).

Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:14 am to
Don’t get him to put on weight

Teach him to not eat all the time like everybody does. You’re teaching the kid bad eating habits and probably training his endocrine system to be fat somehow for something that he’s gonna quit doing in a couple years

However he’ll struggle with being fat the rest of his life. Everybody’s gonna say I’m wrong and they played football in high school but the average build here is like 5’8 250 and none of y’all went pro so what was the point of dooming yourself to a life of obesity for 2 years of football

ETA: y’all are already giving him the eating schedule of a diabetic hr lady minus the diet cokes. It’s so over
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 11:15 am
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:20 am to
quote:

el Gaucho

I can't wait until you're banned again. Your schtick is played out
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30966 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Anyway, interested on your take lsu777 on good protein if you don't eat meat (once again... treat it as a thought experiment, because I know the answer is to just eat meat.. hah).



first i would put him on creatine immediately if he isnt eating meat

as far as good protein source for a vegetarian(asusming no seafood either)....well its going to have to mainly come from shakes, milk, cheese and eggs.

i would add the creatine immediately and then just help him make sure he eats unprocessed nut butters, gets his protein numbers in overall and then eats lots of white rice and beans of some kind.

unfortunately if he starts eating some kind of meat substitute he is going to be eating lots of processed crap.

i would stay away from bars and things like that.

so for breakfast, assuming he eats eggs,

lots of eggs, fruit and some potatoes

lunch- big ole pbj or 2 plus 12-16oz fairlife whole milk

after school- big protein shake with milk, pb and the powder and some fruit

dinner- beans and rice as you described

before bed- another big protein shake with pb.




**** just saw you said he is on creatine. if he tolerates it well, with him being a vegetarian, i would up the dose to 10g daily since he isnt getting from other sources



btw why does he eat like that? perceived health, doesnt like meat or is it a moral thing for him?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30966 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 11:28 am to
quote:

Don’t get him to put on weight

Teach him to not eat all the time like everybody does. You’re teaching the kid bad eating habits and probably training his endocrine system to be fat somehow for something that he’s gonna quit doing in a couple years

However he’ll struggle with being fat the rest of his life. Everybody’s gonna say I’m wrong and they played football in high school but the average build here is like 5’8 250 and none of y’all went pro so what was the point of dooming yourself to a life of obesity for 2 years of football

ETA: y’all are already giving him the eating schedule of a diabetic hr lady minus the diet cokes. It’s so over


dude stfu did i say he should get to 250 at 5'8? I specifially said at that height the largest they should get is 205.

tanner stage 4 is the best time to add muscle mass and strength. The two things that will set him up for life to have a good metabolism.


you dont know what in the frick you are talking about. go away with your trolling. this isnt the thread for that.
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4634 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:04 pm to
quote:


**** just saw you said he is on creatine. if he tolerates it well, with him being a vegetarian, i would up the dose to 10g daily since he isnt getting from other sources



btw why does he eat like that? perceived health, doesnt like meat or is it a moral thing for him?


Yeah, I wondered about upping the creatine, since he doesn't get any red meat.

He basically just doesn't like meat. His mom is the same way. It's the texture, I believe. He'll occasionally get back on eating chicken sandwiches, then he'll get a piece of gristle or something and get grossed out again.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30966 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

Yeah, I wondered about upping the creatine, since he doesn't get any red meat.

He basically just doesn't like meat. His mom is the same way. It's the texture, I believe. He'll occasionally get back on eating chicken sandwiches, then he'll get a piece of gristle or something and get grossed out again.


ok what about things like seafood?

i would go heavy on the eggs then for sure and the protein powder
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

A Male HS athlete should be at a minimum playing weight of 2.5x their height in inches. Ideal would be 2.75-3x. Exceptions would be lineman in football which can get up to 3.5-3.75x. This is for all sports, but especially the field sports of football and baseball


Cross country kids: 2x is probably ideal
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Member since May 2021
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:41 pm to
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Cross country kids: 2x is probably ideal

I was 5'10" 160 lbs as a HS runner and considered myself fat
16:30 5k and 4:30 1600m time but 2x would've been ideal back then.
This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30966 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 12:50 pm to
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Cross country kids: 2x is probably ideal


maybe ideal from a performance standpoint, not ideal from a health or injury prevention standpoint.

there are exceptions to these rules like swimmers, long distance running and things of that nature.

the post was more aimed at your traditional field and court athletes aka....power athletes.
Posted by CootKilla
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:26 pm to
My son turned 14 in July, has recently hit a growth spurt and is 5'-7" now. At the beginning of the year he was a little over 5 foot. Right now he only weighs 105-110#.

He runs cross country, plays soccer year round and also runs track (long distance). He has started doing a little lifting over the summer with the above school sports.

He doesn't want to gain too much weight due to xc, but I told him he needs to add muscle to compete in soccer if he wants a chance to play after high school.

He drinks a couple of muscle milk protein shakes everyday. He doesn't eat much for lunch during the week since the school lunch is horrible compared to what I had 25 years ago.
He eats granola bars, fruits, gummies and any kind of junk food that he can put his hands on right after school, 2:15-2:30. He has cross country practice from 2:30-4:30 and soccer practice from 6:30-8:30 so it is hard to get a big meal in between practices without him throwing it all up

I make sure for supper he gets a good full balanced meal, but I know him eating at 9pm is not a good thing with him going to bed for 10.

I don't want him to bulk up like a linebacker but more like a nickel corner.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30966 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

He drinks a couple of muscle milk protein shakes everyday. He doesn't eat much for lunch during the week since the school lunch is horrible compared to what I had 25 years ago.
He eats granola bars, fruits, gummies and any kind of junk food that he can put his hands on right after school, 2:15-2:30. He has cross country practice from 2:30-4:30 and soccer practice from 6:30-8:30 so it is hard to get a big meal in between practices without him throwing it all up


send him with a lunch. thermos or that battery powered lunch warmer i linked. it has a timer where it has the lunch ready that day.

also feed him a big breakfast. for him about 750 cals before 9am would be a good goal

quote:

I make sure for supper he gets a good full balanced meal, but I know him eating at 9pm is not a good thing with him going to bed for 10.



nothing wrong with this. its perfectly fine. may affect his sleep some but got to do what you ahve to do.


for him and his schedule here is what i would do

- big breakfast like i mentioned with some low fat fairlife milk. even fat free. use low fat cottage cheese in the eggs. get him protein first thing in the mornign and let him take his creatine then

- send him with a lunch as mentioned. like today my kids had chilli and rice. simple ground beef, cajun power chilli jar and some rice i cooked. full thermos. send a protein shake for this time

right after school a protein shake or bar and some fruit. lots of fruit to power the XC meet.

between practices...another quick protein shake and some fruit again.


big dinner with meat and some carbs again. big meal. some veggies in there.


here is a chart showing weight coeffecient of mlb players
[url=https://ibb.co/vjNrYT5] [/url]


here are some cheat sheets from Wendi Irlbeck who is a sports nutrition consultant for High schools











This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted by TideSaint
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:17 pm to
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88/12 ground beef


Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30966 posts
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:27 pm to
haha...its at sams. its cheap.


btw here is a summary on creatine also

This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 2:29 pm
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:41 pm to
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haha...its at sams. its cheap.

Costco too, 88/12
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 8:49 am to
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I can't wait until you're banned again. Your schtick is played out



Shut your whore mouth. Gaucho is a treasure.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
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Member since May 2021
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 1:50 pm to
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maybe ideal from a performance standpoint, not ideal from a health or injury prevention standpoint.

Kelvin Kiptum set the marathon world record (2:00:35, ~4:36 mile average) at 5' 11", 143 lbs. He probably shed up to 10 lbs in that race, including water weight. To be elite, that's what it takes. More kids will naturally be above that 2x weight. You can be at a low weight and be health AND not prone to injury.
Posted by ChetLSU
Toledo
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 11/3/23 at 2:14 pm to
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You can be at a low weight and be health AND not prone to injury.


Lots of times though it’s better to be fat so you no get bullied and knocked over. Like OP child getting picked on because he is a weakling, if he just got fat he could stand up for himself.
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