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HFP Training guinea pig thread
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:59 am
I created a workout and I wanted to get y'alls input on it.
The program is called HFP for Hypertrophy, Focus, and Power (also just HAPPENS to be my screen name
). It is a full body program for every workout that allows the lifter to practice the lifts through Daily Undulating Periodization. This technique allows the lifter to get use to the movement everyday and practice it with CNS response, technique, strength, and hypertrophy.
The days are done in T,P,H,F in that order. T is for Testing, P is for Power, H is for Hypertrophy, and F is for Focus.
Testing is used to create a new Training max and to get some heavy weights in to stimulate CNS response. The 1+ set is used to determine these new weights.
Power is used to generate barbell speed with moderately heavy weights. This section can also be used with accommodating resistance such as bands or chains.
Hypertrophy is used for muscle mass and to encourage growth through higher repetitions and a scheduled AMRAP.
Focus is used to nail down the technique of the lift by using lighter weights and to "grease the groove."
Set up:
Place your 1RM in the green column and the Training max (TM) will automatically appear. This is the weight all other percentages will be based off of. Once the first week is completed, adjust the TM numbers and don't worry about the formulas (They are provided next to the TM for use later if a 1RM is actually tested).
1+ set is highlighted and is used to change the TM.
0-1 reps = no weight change
2-3 reps = 5 lbs added
4-5 reps = 10 lbs added
6+ reps = 15 lbs added
Variation lifts are provided to the side. They can be changed as needed for different weak points.
As you can see, it is self regulating and pushes you to move more weight due to an increase could happen every week.
I urge you to lookup the proper techniques to each lift to practice during the Focus portion.
Please let me know how it is. I want to see how the duration, intensity, and recoverability is so that I can potentially add in some supersets or giant sets to decrease time and increase aerobic conditioning.
Here is the workout HFP Training
You will need to make a copy of it.
Extra:
Lift Cue Cards
Squat:
Get back as tight as possible when adjusting on back.
Take bracing breath before lifting weight
Act like you are wrapping the bar around your back
Take minimum amount of steps to lift and be set
Tighten butt to brace posterior chanin
Take another bracing breath
Break at the knees and track your knees over your toes
Stand up
Deadlift:
Get stance and bar should be midfoot
Get breath before decending
Place hands
Sink down hips till shins touch barbell
Rotate elbows in to activate lats (also use putting lats in back pocket)
Head neutral
Get tight
Act like you are wrapping bar around shins
Lift
Bench:
Get your upper back tight under the barbell by squeezing your shoulders together
Plant feet
Scoot butt back a little to develop arch
Rotate elbows to activate lats
Bracing Breath
Unrack
Another Bracing breath if needed
Act like you are making a "horseshoe" shape with the bar
With lats activated, "row" the barbell to your chest
Once liftoff happens, start to flare your elbows and push towards the rack a little and push with your legs towards the rear of the bench
Push Press:
Bracing breath
Front rack position
Step out
Squeeze butt to lock in posterior chain
Bend at knees not a rock back
Push up and back past your head and not in front of you.
Beta testing techniques:
++ Sets: If you add weight to the TM from the 1+ set, on the subsequent sets you will add weight according to how you feel and how much you increased TM. This is optional and intended for days you feel good.
If you added 5lbs to your TM then add 0 lbs to the first single and 5 lbs to the next single.
If you added 10+lbs to your TM then add 5 lbs to your first single and 10 lbs to the next single. ADDED
Rotating Variations:
Idea is to rotate the variation or main lifts and change their training goal every 2-3 weeks. I will have to work on a scheme for weight selection however. Example Back squat will be a Testing for 2-3 weeks then a High Bar or Front Squat may be the Testing for 2 weeks.
Superset or Giantset:
I did Technique and Hypertrophy in a superset fashion to save time and do a little bit of conditioning work.
Adding dips and chin ups:
Will need to figure out where to put these or those should be a staple in the variation lifts.
Target recovery
2 week deload. One week lower body deload, heavy upper. Other upper body deload, heavy lower.
The program is called HFP for Hypertrophy, Focus, and Power (also just HAPPENS to be my screen name
The days are done in T,P,H,F in that order. T is for Testing, P is for Power, H is for Hypertrophy, and F is for Focus.
Testing is used to create a new Training max and to get some heavy weights in to stimulate CNS response. The 1+ set is used to determine these new weights.
Power is used to generate barbell speed with moderately heavy weights. This section can also be used with accommodating resistance such as bands or chains.
Hypertrophy is used for muscle mass and to encourage growth through higher repetitions and a scheduled AMRAP.
Focus is used to nail down the technique of the lift by using lighter weights and to "grease the groove."
Set up:
Place your 1RM in the green column and the Training max (TM) will automatically appear. This is the weight all other percentages will be based off of. Once the first week is completed, adjust the TM numbers and don't worry about the formulas (They are provided next to the TM for use later if a 1RM is actually tested).
1+ set is highlighted and is used to change the TM.
0-1 reps = no weight change
2-3 reps = 5 lbs added
4-5 reps = 10 lbs added
6+ reps = 15 lbs added
Variation lifts are provided to the side. They can be changed as needed for different weak points.
As you can see, it is self regulating and pushes you to move more weight due to an increase could happen every week.
I urge you to lookup the proper techniques to each lift to practice during the Focus portion.
Please let me know how it is. I want to see how the duration, intensity, and recoverability is so that I can potentially add in some supersets or giant sets to decrease time and increase aerobic conditioning.
Here is the workout HFP Training
You will need to make a copy of it.
Extra:
Lift Cue Cards
Squat:
Get back as tight as possible when adjusting on back.
Take bracing breath before lifting weight
Act like you are wrapping the bar around your back
Take minimum amount of steps to lift and be set
Tighten butt to brace posterior chanin
Take another bracing breath
Break at the knees and track your knees over your toes
Stand up
Deadlift:
Get stance and bar should be midfoot
Get breath before decending
Place hands
Sink down hips till shins touch barbell
Rotate elbows in to activate lats (also use putting lats in back pocket)
Head neutral
Get tight
Act like you are wrapping bar around shins
Lift
Bench:
Get your upper back tight under the barbell by squeezing your shoulders together
Plant feet
Scoot butt back a little to develop arch
Rotate elbows to activate lats
Bracing Breath
Unrack
Another Bracing breath if needed
Act like you are making a "horseshoe" shape with the bar
With lats activated, "row" the barbell to your chest
Once liftoff happens, start to flare your elbows and push towards the rack a little and push with your legs towards the rear of the bench
Push Press:
Bracing breath
Front rack position
Step out
Squeeze butt to lock in posterior chain
Bend at knees not a rock back
Push up and back past your head and not in front of you.
Beta testing techniques:
++ Sets: If you add weight to the TM from the 1+ set, on the subsequent sets you will add weight according to how you feel and how much you increased TM. This is optional and intended for days you feel good.
If you added 5lbs to your TM then add 0 lbs to the first single and 5 lbs to the next single.
If you added 10+lbs to your TM then add 5 lbs to your first single and 10 lbs to the next single. ADDED
Rotating Variations:
Idea is to rotate the variation or main lifts and change their training goal every 2-3 weeks. I will have to work on a scheme for weight selection however. Example Back squat will be a Testing for 2-3 weeks then a High Bar or Front Squat may be the Testing for 2 weeks.
Superset or Giantset:
I did Technique and Hypertrophy in a superset fashion to save time and do a little bit of conditioning work.
Adding dips and chin ups:
Will need to figure out where to put these or those should be a staple in the variation lifts.
Target recovery
2 week deload. One week lower body deload, heavy upper. Other upper body deload, heavy lower.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:42 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Looks good,
I was confused at first since I believe focus should take precendence but I can see where you are going.
I would maybe do more sets of 3 for the power portion. just my opinion.
otherwise it looks solid and with the feedback system this look really good.
reminds me of a brandon lilly or a tuscherer routine.
I was confused at first since I believe focus should take precendence but I can see where you are going.
I would maybe do more sets of 3 for the power portion. just my opinion.
otherwise it looks solid and with the feedback system this look really good.
reminds me of a brandon lilly or a tuscherer routine.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:49 am to lsucoonass
quote:
I was confused at first since I believe focus should take precendence but I can see where you are going.
Well I try to build in rest since the Testing portion will follow the Focus portion.
quote:
I would maybe do more sets of 3 for the power portion. just my opinion.
I did 5's to encourage faster barbell speed. I think 3's are a little on the heavier side and it's the day after the Test.
I thank you for your thoughts and would like your opinion on my comments above.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:55 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
for me personally, my form on a push press or a power clean would get worse after 3 reps. i would recommend that for beginners but given your training status I think 5 is good.
thats not to say 5 isnt a bad number. in fact i think 5-6 rep range gives you a good combination of power, muscle density, and size. but with your feedback loop system, it will be easy to correct whenever you have an off day.
the rest is good. I do think you can place focus on greasing the groove prior to testing for your primary lift for that day. just think of it as an additional warm up set or two. I am pavel tsatsouline fan and hes believer in greasing the groove.
otherwise its very solid and i dont think you will overtrain with good mobility, nutrition, and an adequate base of aerobic condition and some anaerobic.
lifting cues look great, i always use this as visual imagery before i start each set on all of my big lifts.
this is one thing I believe people dont do enough of when lifting weights and needs to be done.
thats not to say 5 isnt a bad number. in fact i think 5-6 rep range gives you a good combination of power, muscle density, and size. but with your feedback loop system, it will be easy to correct whenever you have an off day.
the rest is good. I do think you can place focus on greasing the groove prior to testing for your primary lift for that day. just think of it as an additional warm up set or two. I am pavel tsatsouline fan and hes believer in greasing the groove.
otherwise its very solid and i dont think you will overtrain with good mobility, nutrition, and an adequate base of aerobic condition and some anaerobic.
lifting cues look great, i always use this as visual imagery before i start each set on all of my big lifts.
this is one thing I believe people dont do enough of when lifting weights and needs to be done.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/23/17 at 11:14 am to lsucoonass
Thanks. I think I might start this next week to see how it is or start tomorrow since I have squats tomorrow anyway.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 11:43 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
id recommend starting it on a squat day, let that set the tone for the rest of your training
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:52 pm to lsucoonass
Is it obvious to warmup prior to doing the testing or should I put it in there?
Also might put a +10 lbs on the last single of the test.
Also might design a deload week.
Also might put a +10 lbs on the last single of the test.
Also might design a deload week.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 8/23/17 at 4:00 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
That all depends on the audience whom you write this program for man.
Most of us will imply a warm up is necessary but a newbie won't. Then again this isn't a program for a newbie.
You're doing good brother so don't fret
Most of us will imply a warm up is necessary but a newbie won't. Then again this isn't a program for a newbie.
You're doing good brother so don't fret
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:36 pm to lsucoonass
Yeah, I would not recommend to a complete new person to lifting.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:20 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
id say after a newbie gained some hypertrophy usually after 8 weeks of consistent training, it can definately be used and can be used for quite a while.
I think you could do a deload week with this program around the same time frame wendler has his for 5/3/1 or 1-2 weeks after.
I think you could do a deload week with this program around the same time frame wendler has his for 5/3/1 or 1-2 weeks after.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:41 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
You know what
I'll be your Guinea pig. I'll start next Monday
I'll be your Guinea pig. I'll start next Monday
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:02 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
What's the expected end result of this plan? More mass? Or lean muscle? I'm looking for something to lose about 5-7lbs, but stay strong at same time.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:16 pm to Sandtrap
with the full body movements you will probably expect a little of everything but of course that will also be dictated by nutrition
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:18 pm to lsucoonass
Awesome. I appreciate it. I'm starting in the morning.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:19 pm to lsucoonass
If I could just layoff the sugar I would eat pretty healthy.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:22 pm to Sandtrap
quote:
What's the expected end result of this plan?
General strength as opposed to specific strength although exercises can be tailored to specific goals. The plan is to develop the nervous system to adapt to heavy weight. With heavier weights, you can do higher weight on your hypertrophy sets to gain muscle. With more muscle, the more potential for strength.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:29 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Sounds good. I'm in the middle of an 8-week program, but this looks like something I would like to try. I'll probably give it a go when I wrap up my current regimen.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 11:40 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
May give it a go as well. Just ran another 12 weeks of StrongLifts and was about to jump into GSLP, as my last few gym trips have been a whole lot of wandering around really not getting anything accomplished.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 1:35 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
So I finally got a chance to look at this, Sorry it took so long, I am managing the night shift on a huge turnaround we have going on.
Things I love about it
-Using a 90% training max. (could possibly go lower after a few cycles of slinging heavy iron catch up to you)
-Frequency of the lifts. For a natural lifter the most important factors to growth are recovery and frequency
-love the focus on the big lifts
-Simplicity of the program
Items I would change
-Shoulder health will more than likely be a problem for somebody following this program strictly. I would suggest somebody to the Rusin shoulder warm up. I also would suggest 3 sets of strict chins on Monday & Thursday and then some type of horizontal row, preferably KROC Row or bodyweight ring/trx rows on Tuesday and Friday. This will balance the shoulder joint and keep any problems at bay. Or the trainee could do frequency method chin ups and do Kroc rows every night.
- unless you compete in power lifting, incline or slight decline bench is better for aesthics than bench for 95% of the people. This is nit picking though and a simple change that does not effect the program.
-IMO push press should be the overhead variant to OHP with OHP being the main lift. But again this is a simple change and will depend if the person has stalled for an extended period of time on OHP. Just a nit pick and not a big deal.
- deadlifts for more than 8 reps max can be dangerous to anybody that doesn't have perfect technique. On non power days I would say a better selection would be some type of speed pull from the floor preferably power cleans. Also the problem with 4 days of deadlifts is CNS fatigue. Even with lighter weight, deads smoke the CNS especially when combined with frequent squats. With the program the way it is, a deload would be needed for most people after 3-4 weeks.
The other thing you could do is flip the sets and reps for deadlifts only. So instead of 3 sets of 10, do 10 sets of 3. This works well for deadlifts and vertical pressing, not worth a shite for squats and not that weel for horizontal pressing movements like bench. Just something to consider.
Overall I think its a great program and there is not much I would change. Hopefully you continue to put more of your training ideas forward. This program is very similar the intermediatte program I posted and used Undulating Periodization in the same way. IMO these are the best types of programs from somebody in the intermediate stage of training and even into the advanced stages if done correctly and overall volume is managed.
Things I love about it
-Using a 90% training max. (could possibly go lower after a few cycles of slinging heavy iron catch up to you)
-Frequency of the lifts. For a natural lifter the most important factors to growth are recovery and frequency
-love the focus on the big lifts
-Simplicity of the program
Items I would change
-Shoulder health will more than likely be a problem for somebody following this program strictly. I would suggest somebody to the Rusin shoulder warm up. I also would suggest 3 sets of strict chins on Monday & Thursday and then some type of horizontal row, preferably KROC Row or bodyweight ring/trx rows on Tuesday and Friday. This will balance the shoulder joint and keep any problems at bay. Or the trainee could do frequency method chin ups and do Kroc rows every night.
- unless you compete in power lifting, incline or slight decline bench is better for aesthics than bench for 95% of the people. This is nit picking though and a simple change that does not effect the program.
-IMO push press should be the overhead variant to OHP with OHP being the main lift. But again this is a simple change and will depend if the person has stalled for an extended period of time on OHP. Just a nit pick and not a big deal.
- deadlifts for more than 8 reps max can be dangerous to anybody that doesn't have perfect technique. On non power days I would say a better selection would be some type of speed pull from the floor preferably power cleans. Also the problem with 4 days of deadlifts is CNS fatigue. Even with lighter weight, deads smoke the CNS especially when combined with frequent squats. With the program the way it is, a deload would be needed for most people after 3-4 weeks.
The other thing you could do is flip the sets and reps for deadlifts only. So instead of 3 sets of 10, do 10 sets of 3. This works well for deadlifts and vertical pressing, not worth a shite for squats and not that weel for horizontal pressing movements like bench. Just something to consider.
Overall I think its a great program and there is not much I would change. Hopefully you continue to put more of your training ideas forward. This program is very similar the intermediatte program I posted and used Undulating Periodization in the same way. IMO these are the best types of programs from somebody in the intermediate stage of training and even into the advanced stages if done correctly and overall volume is managed.
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