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Do roids get a bad rep?

Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:07 pm
Do steroids get a bad rep because of past abuse, because they work extremely well, because of potential side effects or a little of everything and maybe more? I’ve used them in the past, but only a 6-8 week cycle and then I was done for the year. I have used the proper PCT as well. I didn’t abuse them or stay on them 24/7/365 like some of the idiots out there. Just curious as to what the board thinks.

Disclaimer: it’s been 4+ years since I last used them. My beer belly is au-natural.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 4:10 pm
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:19 pm to
100% chance this thread dies.

I've never used anything illegal. With steroids, there is a lot of hysteria unsupported by science. The fact is the black market means people have no idea what a real dosing protocol is. You're relying on some dude on a message board.

So yes, they do. Every medication has side effects, but people DGAF on more common ones. Obesity is a nationwide epidemic with real health consequences and steroids fight that.

I would love to see legit scientific studies on a proerly dosed population.
Posted by Andychapman13
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:35 pm to
I’ve always been anti-legalization of weed and recently Joe Rogan said something to Ben Shapiro on his show that stuck with me: “yeah, I’d say the majority of Americans that smoke pot abuse it, but the majority of Americans abuse food!” So along those lines, I kinda have the same attitude about juice as I do about weed- I don’t have any problem with anyone I know using it, but let’s keep it illegal bc those who get arrested for it probably deserve it!
I’ve done heavy cycles and low dose cycles before and honestly like both the results and the feel of the low dose cycles better. In fact most “T-docs” will prescribe everyone one to 200mg test per week and I found 100mg/week to be the sweet spot for me.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:47 pm to
I def understand the hysteria surrounding some of them. Others, not so much. I feel like people aren’t educated enough about certain ones that aren’t really all that bad. As harmless as a multivitamin, but with a lot more pop.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted by TheIndulger
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 5:52 pm to
What does doing only one cycle do?
Posted by Andychapman13
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:03 pm to
I mean that’s quite a loaded question...
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:04 pm to
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What does doing only one cycle do?


I’d do a cutting cycle once a year for about 6-8 weeks before the summer to get lean. When I was done, I was able to maintain and keep most of my gains usually until the holidays. So it was like April-October I’d be in great shape and then November-March i’d lose it. I blame the holidays, football season, and March Madness.
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Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:10 pm to
If you’re honest about it, I don’t care. Just don’t try to convince me that you gained 25 lbs and upped your bench by 75 lbs in 5 months because you eat a lot.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:33 pm to
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I’ve done heavy cycles and low dose cycles before and honestly like both the results and the feel of the low dose cycles better.


That's what I was saying about dosing. A lot of the noted side effects are from people who were just mainlining stuff.

If you run crazy cycles like I've seen for Mr. Olympia guys and add GH and Insulin, yeah, that can give you sides fairly fast. If someone wanted to use them at a low dose to progressively add mass over years, much less is known.
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:38 pm to
Like anything else, until people stop being scared of everything and give science a chance to study it, we’ll never have real empirical data.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:47 pm to
What's crazy to me is most drugs, legalization is increasingly popular. Marijuana is the big one, but people even discuss harder stuff.

But muscle building stuff? That's going the other way. More and more is being scheduled, from steroids to prohormones to trying SARMS.
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:00 pm to
That’s because people think just because you use PEDs you’ll end up like Rich Piana or kill your girlfriend out of a fit of rage. People want to legalize pot because it’s cool and the girls will frick you for a gram. It’s all about perception. The truth is, prohibition does not stop people from diving into their own vices. Either we give ourselves a chance to learn from it, or we stay stuck in the dark.
Posted by Andychapman13
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:02 pm to
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That's what I was saying about dosing. A lot of the noted side effects are from people who were just mainlining stuff.

I did one bodybuilding show and won my weight class and the all-around, but the shite I did to make the last 5 weeks happen was disgusting! The pre-contest shite is terrible and only really gets you looking elite for a few weeks, but the sides are insane. Tren is without a doubt the worst (3hrs sleep/night, sweat all the damn time, Major mood swings, etc, etc) and never should b used period, but especially not by people unless they’re competing on a high level. It took me damn near 2 years to get right after that competition!
Outside of that though, I’ve done a few low dose test/EQ cycles and they were great and mild in sides, if any.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Andychapman13
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:06 pm to
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But muscle building stuff? That's going the other way. More and more is being scheduled, from steroids to prohormones to trying SARMS.

I think the major concern, and it’s a legit one, is that kids will start to get hold to it and that can really frick then up for life. I don’t anyone should touch that shite until they’re 25 or older.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:15 pm to
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I think the major concern, and it’s a legit one, is that kids will start to get hold to it and that can really frick then up for life. I don’t anyone should touch that shite until they’re 25 or older.


Thing is, you can get it pretty easily. Lack of knowledge about steroids ****s up more people.

I agree that you should ride your natural prime unless you're a high level strength athlete or something. Kids will always want to be bigger, though. Giving them knowledge, IMO, would do more than prohibition.

I'll say this, steroids also, if used smartly without sides, create more health positives than the drugs being discussed for legalization.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:19 pm to
Def need more education on it. Without that, you can get in some deep shite, especially young kids.
Posted by MadisonReb10
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:59 pm to
It all depends on the steroids you’re using. Say you run 500mg of test ethanate without anything stacked on for 10-12 weeks and you’re fine with some PCT. What gets people is everyone wants the faster acting now results such as Dianabol and tren and it gets them into shite with a lot of negative sides
Posted by WaydownSouth
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 9:32 am to
Yes absolutely. I like how people think its ok to smoke some marijuana but if you tell them you use roids, you are the devil.

Rather deal with a juice head than a pot smoker any day.

The big issue, is morons that don’t know what they are doing. If you are going to use them, you better know how to do a pct, you better be willing to do bloodwork every few weeks, and you better be willing to eat right so it’s actually worth it and you’ll see results. Another thing is I see people at like 21/22 start hopping on way before they ever maximize their natty potential. Just a waste IMO.
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 12:10 pm to
If I ever decide to use PEDs, it’ll be when I’m older. Like in my 50s and I just want to keep my T level in a normal range. Right now, my diet and exercise are plenty.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 7:57 pm to
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I'll say this, steroids also, if used smartly without sides, create more health positives than the drugs being discussed for legalization.



I'm 43 and have been kicking around the idea of doing a low dose Test E cycle. Essentially just above an anti aging dose for recovery, overall health and well-being. Any mild fat loss or muscle gain would be a bonus. What I don't want to deal with is supressing my natural T production and then having to do TRT for life. I also don't want to yo-yo between looking and feeling better, and then looking or feeling like shite post cycle.

I have been reading quite a bit on it and can't form a definite opinion on doing it either way because opinions vary so widely on the subject. At some point, I am going to order some HGH and do 3 or so IU of that a day.
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