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Why do I draw my short irons and fade/slice my long ones?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:47 pm
Getting pretty pissed. I’ve really dialed in my short irons with a nice draw but anything 6 and longer I fade. Any suggestions?
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Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:54 pm to PT24-7
Do you think you could be playing the ball too far forward on long irons?
Posted on 1/27/21 at 9:59 pm to PT24-7
Take a lesson
Posted on 1/28/21 at 5:31 am to Power-Dome
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Do you think you could be playing the ball too far forward on long irons?
Pretty sure that would lead to more draws with long irons, wouldn't it?
OP, probably standing more upright with shorter irons. When I start doing this, I move the ball back in my stance ever so slightly to compensate.
- weekend warrior.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 6:50 am to TaderSalad
Thanks I’ll give this a shot. I play 5i in middle and move back a ball for each shorter iron and forward a ball for each longer iron
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:06 am to PT24-7
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Thanks I’ll give this a shot. I play 5i in middle and move back a ball for each shorter iron and forward a ball for each longer iron
...why?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:25 am to TaderSalad
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Pretty sure that would lead to more draws with long irons, wouldn't it?
Playing the ball forward aids a cut in irons, and playing it back with irons aids a draw. This is due to the change in the path and angle of attack in the swing
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I play 5i in middle and move back a ball for each shorter iron and forward a ball for each longer iron
Why? Play the ball position in the same spot everytime and just change the width. Go look at Hogans 5 lessons
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:28 am to Gugich22
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...why?
I'd Imagine something along these lines is the thought process. OP may be simply choosing to start with 5i in middle as opposed to a shorter club based on swing mechanics.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:36 am to hehateme2285
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Playing the ball forward aids a cut in irons, and playing it back with irons aids a draw. This is due to the change in the path and angle of attack in the swing
Golf is fickle. When I want to hit a draw, I always play it forward in my stance
Now I want to go try what it do in the back of my stance
Posted on 1/28/21 at 7:36 am to PT24-7
Last year I started playing everything pretty much off of my left nutsack. It’s helped ball striking a lot. Maybe try this. Jack did it, so maybe it may be a good thing?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 8:25 am to Lambchops11
You talking big draw with the short irons and big fade with the long ones? Like 15-20 yards? Is it consistent? Which club is the middle, i.e. Where does it change from draw to slice? Are you taking the same swing or do you change your swing depending on the length of the iron?
Those are questions that I have out of curiosity.
Having not seen your swing, my guess is that you stand the same distance from the ball regardless of the club. You're closer on the long irons than you should be, which promotes the fade. You're further away on the short irons which can promote the draw.
Those are questions that I have out of curiosity.
Having not seen your swing, my guess is that you stand the same distance from the ball regardless of the club. You're closer on the long irons than you should be, which promotes the fade. You're further away on the short irons which can promote the draw.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 8:27 am to PT24-7
I know you have gotten some other information on this, but you need to look at all factors; ball position, swing path, club rotation, attack angle...These can all be factors between low to mid irons to long irons.
your club rotation for the shorter irons will produce a pretty consistent draw but that same rotation in mid irons will not, and you will still have a fade due to the extra length in the club. If you have the same rotation and move the ball position forward a little bit (about 1 ball width) you should see similar results.
All of this could be for naught if you have a steep attack angle where you can not rotate your club effectively. A steep attack angle in short irons will still produce a small somewhat repeatable draw due to the shorter clubs offset
your club rotation for the shorter irons will produce a pretty consistent draw but that same rotation in mid irons will not, and you will still have a fade due to the extra length in the club. If you have the same rotation and move the ball position forward a little bit (about 1 ball width) you should see similar results.
All of this could be for naught if you have a steep attack angle where you can not rotate your club effectively. A steep attack angle in short irons will still produce a small somewhat repeatable draw due to the shorter clubs offset
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:04 am to BeaverPRO
What Beaver said, but the longer the club the easier to slice, so this isn't some unique problem you are having.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:09 am to PT24-7
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Getting pretty pissed
I'd try to hit every shot with a nice high, soft cut...
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:22 am to PT24-7
Sounds like you are coming over the top.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:24 am to abovepar
Yes, that is classic swing path issue. he is able to close the short irons coming across the ball, but the longs are slightly open.
Fix your path.
Fix your path.
Posted on 1/28/21 at 11:25 am to Lambchops11
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Last year I started playing everything pretty much off of my left nutsack
How many nutsacks you got?
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:29 pm to abovepar
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Sounds like you are coming over the top.
I think it’s a combo of two main things:
1. Coming across it at impact
2. Not rotating the top hand enough
It’s so frickin hard for me to fix it
Posted on 1/28/21 at 9:07 pm to PT24-7
Solution to a path issue is never at the location( at the top). It’s all ways before that point . Check the take away and make sure you are not taking it away too inside...
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:53 am to PT24-7
Easy to break down...
Remember, the ball starts with the face- Initial direction where the ball starts is where the face is pointing when it meets the ball.
The ball curves opposite of the path....
Right handed golfer has a path too far to the left..the ball with curve to the right...slice/fade.
Two different things cause initial direction of ball (face) and curve of ball in flight (path).
Enjoy
Remember, the ball starts with the face- Initial direction where the ball starts is where the face is pointing when it meets the ball.
The ball curves opposite of the path....
Right handed golfer has a path too far to the left..the ball with curve to the right...slice/fade.
Two different things cause initial direction of ball (face) and curve of ball in flight (path).
Enjoy
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