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BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
4357 posts

re: The Island closing for good
Here is something to put things into perceptive. The Bluffs when it was a top 100 course had around a 1.5 mil maintenance budget. Courses are around 3-500k now.


CockyTime
South Carolina Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
2330 posts

re: The Island closing for good
I would assume weather is the ultimate issue with why they fail and the costs to upkeep directly because of the weather.

How can courses in the north survive by by only operating a few months in the year? If courses here closed down in winter like the north, would that be beneficial if they're losing money anyway at that time?

I don't think golf here is too cheap. Atlanta has infinitely better conditioned courses everywhere in better shape that are all nearly $50 to play at peak times. Greystone and Pelican charge $75 for courses that usually aren't worth that price (esp Pelican which is no better maintained than the Island imo)


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The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
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re: The Island closing for good
I've never lived anywhere other than S Louisiana, so my question goes along with the one above bc I don't know what the golf world looks like outside of my bubble. But simply, as you describe golfers in BR:

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who disappear Monday through Thursday and all winter and who all want 8AM tee times in Saturday for dirt cheap with primo conditions.


would seemingly apply to the entire US. Most golfers are weekend warriors who have a 9-5. How do other places seem to handle this fact better than we do?



And ps, you got me a few threads back on the economics of BREC being a government actor and artificially lowering the prices to price out non municipal courses. Really got me in my GOP heartstrings.


lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
8748 posts

re: The Island closing for good
There is so much wrong with Baton Rouge area golf that it is hard to say what they do differently. My opinion so take it for what it is worth. Most people look at prime time rates and say Baton Rouge is priced just like everyone else. But it is my opinion that average prices for golf are very low in BR. People only look at weekend morning rates but that is a small portion of rates. Plus you have winter rates.

You can play golf for much of the time in Baton Rouge for damn cheap. Like insanely cheap. I am not talking about Saturday and Sunday mornings. Most rounds a course gets revenue on are not Saturday and Sunday mornings.

Heck people mention Greystone above. You can get on Greystone for a lot of Wednesday’s with a lunch and cart for like $30.

I bet other areas just have a higher average per round throughout year or higher volume. Knowing how much it costs to play a course at any one time is meaningless. I would need to know how many rounds the course does and the average price per round.

Here, the average price is largely driven down in BR by BREC and LSU.

Then add on most people don’t have a home course so they don’t care to support the course. They will buy balls online and want to bring their own beer. But that is an entirely different story/thread we can go down though.

So in BR: No home course bc too much spread around. And low average price per round. I bet other areas don’t have that. My opinion.

All I know is I have been telling everyone that it is broken and we are ultimately going to pay bc all that will be left is BRCC, CCLA, LSU and BREC and that sucks.
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The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
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re: The Island closing for good
I would love to pull the rounds per year for BREC, LSU, Carter, Greystone, Island, etc and compare them to another city of BR's size to see.


lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
8748 posts

re: The Island closing for good
I would like to see public courses per capita.

I think GBR has too many especially for a non-tourist area. Plus, this is the Sportsman’s paradise for hunting and fishing plus we have LSU Sports & lots of weather events.
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Janky
LSU Fan
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
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re: The Island closing for good
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I was the GM/Director of Golf for the first 10 years , those numbers are well overblown


Are your initials GC?


chinesebandit56
LSU Fan
Brusly
Member since Apr 2017
27 posts

re: The Island closing for good
Yes


The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
1383 posts
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re: The Island closing for good
If work slows down anymore, I may pull these stats. There has to be some study done by the PGA of America that Champ has access to pull.

The BREC report is 141 pages and doesn't discuss comparable cities, which feels like malpractice.

If I do end up having the time, I'll make sure we are all in agreement as to the factors and variables to discuss and pull from so I'm not wasting time pulling bad numbers.


leblanc272
Houston Astros Fan
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
38 posts

re: The Island closing for good
I worked for you at Acadian Hills when I was at USL. I'm still in the Golf Business for the time being.


chinesebandit56
LSU Fan
Brusly
Member since Apr 2017
27 posts

re: The Island closing for good
I got out the golf business in 2010


LSUGolfman
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2019
151 posts

re: The Island closing for good
quote:

I got out the golf business in 2010


smart man


chinesebandit56
LSU Fan
Brusly
Member since Apr 2017
27 posts

re: The Island closing for good
Only after 31years in the business, five courses I worked at have closed, with only The Bluffs opening back up.


leblanc272
Houston Astros Fan
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
38 posts

re: The Island closing for good
i am 20 years in and out of the 6 courses I have worked at only one closed, The President Broadwater in Biloxi due to katrina. The Bridges, TPC Louisiana, Koasati Pines, Golden Nugget, and THe National are all still open. For Now!


LSUGolfman
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2019
151 posts

re: The Island closing for good
I've been around the golf business a long time too.

I remember back in the 90s Superintendents at mid level courses were making 60-70k a year. Golf Pros were making more than that, depending on their arrangement.

Today Superintendents are making 60-70k a year and Golf Pros are about the same. At least that's the case here in Louisiana. I think it's better in more affluent parts of the country.

The biggest problem I see in Baton Rouge and Louisiana in general is that our median incomes suck. We just don't have enough people that make $200k to support a bunch of clubs. Free time, available income, and interest in the game have all taken a dive in the last 15 years.
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CajunMAP
LSU Fan
Philadelphia, Mississippi
Member since Jan 2019
154 posts

re: The Island closing for good
You are correct about that for sure, plus the skyrocketing costs of maintenance today, to keep the courses at a high standard. Everyone wants the Augusta look and conditions but can't cover the costs to have it.


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icegator337
Houston Astros Fan
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
2778 posts

re: The Island closing for good
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customers who want to bring their own beer, who disappear Monday through Thursday and all winter and who all want 8AM tee times in Saturday for dirt cheap with primo conditions

This. And most of them post here...

We had a baw on here saying he would only pay $100 for absolutely primo conditions. And if it was damp it should be lowered to $60. And he wanted to bring his own ice chest. These people are a dime a dozen in South LA. I don't blame people for being fiscally responsible, but if that's your position you can't expect "primo."


Janky
LSU Fan
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
33531 posts
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re: The Island closing for good
People who don't support their club are the worst.


BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
4357 posts

re: The Island closing for good
If you could have your operating expense under a million which is doable you need to have 350 members paying $200 a month and then generate $160,000 in outings and pro shop sales. That will give you 1 mil.

Seems easy don’t it?
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Janky
LSU Fan
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Member since Jun 2011
33531 posts
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re: The Island closing for good
I am talking about those that go buy a dozen of pro-v1 at academy to save $5 instead of their pro shop.


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