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Shaping Shots

Posted on 4/20/21 at 8:58 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 8:58 pm
So what do you do? Change your swing path, more active or passive wrists? I naturally play a fade but have now locked-in a slight draw swing path. Its really not a draw, its just straight ball flight. So how do you shape shots?

Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
66628 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 9:09 pm to
You have to start by having a fundamental understanding of the physics of the golf swing.

Inside to out swing + square face = draw
Inside to out swing + closed face = hook

Etc. Then you can adjust how your hands come through (hooded or standard) to adjust height.

Basically, swing path + hand position at impact + club face = shot shape.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 9:36 pm to
Thanks. Hooded or standard? Google returns a bunch of clothing. What does that mean?

Just by exercises at the range I've really improved ball fight and length after a long layoff. I can draw the ball by wrist action, but its not consistient and I doubt that's how its done while playing.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87289 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 9:49 pm to
It starts with my takeaway. I’m always trying to stay in the same plane. Straight back and down for fade. More inside and underneath for a draw. I’m always trying to wait as long as possible to break my wrists so it feels like I’m really compressing the ball.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

It starts with my takeaway. I’m always trying to stay in the same plane. Straight back and down for fade. More inside and underneath for a draw. I’m always trying to wait as long as possible to break my wrists so it feels like I’m really compressing the ball.

I can visualize what you're saying. So its a swing path slot beginning at the takaway. So maybe throw the hands and club back more agressively for a fade. My stroke is pretty quiet so I can generally try stuff without creating much negative feedback.
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
66628 posts
Posted on 4/20/21 at 10:14 pm to
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Hooded or standard? Google returns a bunch of clothing. What does that mean?

sorry. Hooded means hands in front of ball at impact resulting in the club having less effective loft.
Posted by Waterloo
Texas
Member since Mar 2020
101 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 8:16 am to
An easy way to accomplish shot shaping without adjusting wrist action/swing path is to aim your feet where you want the ball flight to start and then aim the club face where you want the ball to land. Ie if your right handed and you want to play a draw, aim your feet at the right side of the fairway/rough and play the club face toward the center of the fairway and take a normal (neutral) swing path

This is not the actual way pros shape shots - but it's more or less effective in a pinch if you need to bend corners.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87289 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 8:32 am to
That’s not shaping. That’s pulling and blocking.
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16264 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 8:53 am to
quote:

That’s not shaping. That’s pulling and blocking


I wasn't gonna say it
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69219 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 9:37 am to
Fade - slightly open stance, about one ball forward of my normal position, face open to my aiming line and closed to my target, and I focus on keeping my right arm as connected to my body for as long as possible through the swing, throwing my hands a bit more towards my left hip on the downswing.

Draw - slightly closed stance, about a ball back of my normal position, face closed to my aiming line and open to my target, and I start the backswing a bit more shallow to generate a more in to out downswing.

All of those adjustments are pretty minor, or the intent is for small increments. Often times I exaggerate the motions too much and get a little more shape than I planned.

Normally my irons go fairly straight which is cool with me in most conditions. If I am shaping my irons, it's probably because I am punching out or have tree trouble. I can make those shapes sing but I wouldn't necessarily recommend the silly things I do with my address and swing on those.
Posted by Waterloo
Texas
Member since Mar 2020
101 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:27 pm to
Lol not wrong - but it's effective if you don't have the swing paths fine tuned and need to 'cut' or 'draw' the ball.
Posted by cuyahoga tiger
NE Ohio via Tangipahoa
Member since Nov 2011
6123 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:59 pm to
I’m still trying to figure out how to hit all of mine straight when I can do that consistently I’ll be content ...fade draw stop ... foreign to me
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20582 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:31 am to

To hit ball around a tree I try this.
I align club face to miss tree, then align body.

Draw: align body further right than club face. Swing along foot line. So basically I am closed relative to the swing path.

Fade: align body further left than club face. Swing along foot line. So I am open relative to club path.

If I make crisp center contact, the ball explodes like a rocket-



after it hits tree. Then I punch out and take double or triple.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18925 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 7:21 am to
Excellent post.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20582 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Honest post.


I did actually get this to work last Sunday and hooked one around a tree to just short of the green. Got up and down for par.

Sometimes I’m in sort of a forested area where I just aim at one tree figuring I’ll miss what I’m aimed at. I call this the “hit and hope” method.

It works sometimes, however, the trees where I play do not seem to be “90% air.” Especially the trunks.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
41735 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 10:45 am to
quote:

I’m still trying to figure out how to hit all of mine straight


That’s actually the hardest thing to do. Much easier to learn to draw or fade the ball than to hit it dead straight.

To OP, sometimes a little extra pressure in one hand or the other will be enough to shape the ball. If I need a little draw, I’ll grip the club tighter with my right hand. If I need a cut, grip tighter with the left. May not work for everyone but it works for me.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53102 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 7:50 am to
You aim your club face where you want the ball to finish and your body lines where you want it to start. Its that simple
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20582 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 10:37 am to
quote:

You aim your club face where you want the ball to finish and your body lines where you want it to start.


Be careful doing it this way when working around an obstacle.

The ball may not start wide of the obstacle.
Posted by sendit
Member since Mar 2019
62 posts
Posted on 4/27/21 at 4:18 pm to
I think about swinging the club along my feet. If I want to hit a draw, I kick my right foot back a touch and think about swinging the club along that path (in to out). If I want to hit a fade, I will move my right foot a hair up and think about swinging ever so slightly out to in. I think messing with grip and manipulating the club face at address can start to overcomplicate things.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
4080 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 7:27 am to
I dunno but the shot to have to be the most consistent in your distance control is slight fade/cut that works just a few yards left to right (for a righty).

You will lose distance, but much more predictable and you can essentially eliminate the left side of theC course for your misses.

Buddy mine played on what is now lorn ferry tour 15 years back or so. Currently has a +2 HC and through the boredom of Covid decided to make a run one last time at golf and is overhauling his beautiful draw golf swing to this cut to take him to the next level.

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