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re: LIV Reapplies for OWGR Recognition
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:09 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:09 pm to JimTiger72
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Credibility?! Rahm is obviously a top 10 player in the world, maybe top 5. He’s ranked 68th on OWGR.
They’ve already lost credibility.
He took hundreds of millions of dollars to play on a tour that does not give out OWGR points. He knew that going in. Rahm and the rest, viewed money more important than OWGR. I don't blame them one bit. It was a very smart financial decision. Just not a smart one if you want OWGR points.
I think Rahm is a top 5 golfer and I actually enjoy LIV, but they want their cake and eat it too and it's just not how it works right now and complaining about the system is kind of pointless.
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 4:21 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I agree with most of that. My comment was just that their rankings are not credible. At this point, after 3-4 years, their top 50 is mostly correct minus about 10-12 guys
Posted on 7/14/25 at 11:31 pm to JimTiger72
OWGR should only use the majors
Posted on 7/15/25 at 6:37 am to JimTiger72
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not saying that he or most LIV guys would be playing every week outside of the 12 LIV/signature events.
I guess I would respond to Phil with two questions in that case:
1. LIV would need some kind of true developmental tour or start throwing money at young college guys. Does LIV want to commit that kind of bankroll at this point?
2. Ratings are dismal as it is. Is LIV willing to eat those ratings to create this second tier of their league?
It just doesn’t make sense to me I guess from a business standpoint. If LIV starts to gain some traction over here, maybe it makes more sense.
ETA: If LIV wants to go that route, it probably makes more sense to work something out with the DP tour. Become a mostly European tour, absorb those OWGR points, and you’ve already got your field for non elevated events.
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 6:40 am
Posted on 7/15/25 at 8:59 am to JimTiger72
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How is it good that 4 top 10 players in the world are ranked 15, 22, 68, & 88 on OWGR?
Glad to see Scottie agrees here
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:18 am to JimTiger72
Most people agree with that. It won’t happen under the current format.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:22 am to JimTiger72
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Glad to see Scottie agrees here
Make sure you don't pull a muscle with the way you are stretching to make this comparison. You could've used this quote to back up your requests that we need to get the two tours together to have these guys playing more often. Because that is what he said in the quote. The more we play together, the easier it is to rank guys.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:32 am to DestrehanTiger
He literally said “I think having the ability to rank all the golfers in the world is really important”. I’m not stretching anything
Posted on 7/15/25 at 9:56 am to Swagga
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I may not understand what Phil is trying to say here.
He's saying what if LIV modeled itself after the PGA Tour but with shotgun starts
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:07 am to JimTiger72
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He literally said “I think having the ability to rank all the golfers in the world is really important”. I’m not stretching anything
I think we all agree.
I also think we can agree that it’s important everyone being ranked is playing under the same criteria and conditions.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:24 am to JimTiger72
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He literally said “I think having the ability to rank all the golfers in the world is really important”. I’m not stretching anything
Yeah, he was arguing that it's a lot easier to rank guys properly when they play together. He wasn't arguing that OWGR should just give points to LIV with their current system. It just keeps going back to the argument that having a closed system makes it almost impossible to judge player caliber the longer the system goes.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:30 am to DestrehanTiger
quote:Its this simple
It just keeps going back to the argument that having a closed system makes it almost impossible to judge player caliber the longer the system goes.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:35 am to DestrehanTiger
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having a closed system makes it almost impossible to judge player caliber the longer the system goes.
It’s obvious that LIV’s main point of contention with OWGR will be relegation/promotion. They didn’t have to enforce it last year bc they had no application with OWGR. Obviously that will be different moving forward
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/15/25 at 10:39 am to JimTiger72
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It’s obvious that LIV’s main point of contention with OWGR will be relegation/promotion. They didn’t have to enforce it last year bc they had no application with OWGR. Obviously that will be different moving forward
I don't know what we are arguing about then. We have no idea what they are going to change to make it work with OWGR. Until they reveal it, there's nothing to discuss.
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:12 pm to JimTiger72
Look at you! Again...
Saw a poster on the Golf Board earlier this week compare you to Baghdad Bob. So appropriate.
It's going to be a busy week for you. Digging hard, as you try to pimp the LIV league. But the hole you're in just keeps getting deeper.
That said, please do say hello to your fav: Anthony Kim. Just checked and he was +13 in last week's LIV league event in Spain. That's +13 for THREE rounds. Kim would have pushed +20 if the LIV party would have gone on for a fourth day.
But let's give credit where credit is due. Kim didn't finish last; indeed, he was able to best two golfing superstars: Yubin Jang and Luis Masavue, by one and two strokes, respectively. Kim supposedly pocketed $50,000 for that stellar effort. And he should have, as any golfer who can overcome Jang and Masavue should be rewarded.
Of course, Kim would have been cut after two rounds if he'd been playing on a competitive tour. But he's not, because he can't qualify to play on any competitive tour.
Rahm and DeChambeau are terrific golfers (as are Neiman, Reed, i.e.) but trying to equate the LIV league with competitive pro tours is absurd. I've nothing against the Saudis, but LIV is shite - its format, presentation, and contractually bound field, which is comprised of ~45 over-the-hill and never-have-been golfers.
Have a good week!
Saw a poster on the Golf Board earlier this week compare you to Baghdad Bob. So appropriate.
It's going to be a busy week for you. Digging hard, as you try to pimp the LIV league. But the hole you're in just keeps getting deeper.
That said, please do say hello to your fav: Anthony Kim. Just checked and he was +13 in last week's LIV league event in Spain. That's +13 for THREE rounds. Kim would have pushed +20 if the LIV party would have gone on for a fourth day.
But let's give credit where credit is due. Kim didn't finish last; indeed, he was able to best two golfing superstars: Yubin Jang and Luis Masavue, by one and two strokes, respectively. Kim supposedly pocketed $50,000 for that stellar effort. And he should have, as any golfer who can overcome Jang and Masavue should be rewarded.
Of course, Kim would have been cut after two rounds if he'd been playing on a competitive tour. But he's not, because he can't qualify to play on any competitive tour.
Rahm and DeChambeau are terrific golfers (as are Neiman, Reed, i.e.) but trying to equate the LIV league with competitive pro tours is absurd. I've nothing against the Saudis, but LIV is shite - its format, presentation, and contractually bound field, which is comprised of ~45 over-the-hill and never-have-been golfers.
Have a good week!
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:17 pm to DallasTiger
I admire your effort, but we’re talking about LIV applying for OWGR pts in here
We could discuss how wrong you are about this, but I’m sure your mind is already made up
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which is comprised of ~45 over-the-hill and never-have-been golfers.
We could discuss how wrong you are about this, but I’m sure your mind is already made up
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:20 pm to JimTiger72
Bryson, pretty much the champion of LIv, doesn’t even know what they have in plan to meet relegation standards, and he admits it’s an issue
I mean until Liv presents what they are going to actually truly do to make it a real tour what is there to discuss regarding ranking points?
I mean until Liv presents what they are going to actually truly do to make it a real tour what is there to discuss regarding ranking points?
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:22 pm to lsupride87
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and he admits it’s an issue
The OWGR stated that was their number #1 issue with LIV when they rejected their original application. It’s just a fact. Nobody is admitting it or denying it.
Do you think Bryson is involved with discussions on how to run LIV? He is a star for them but he just plays golf
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:24 pm to JimTiger72
quote:They better be involving him. . Because if they lost him they are more cooked than they already are
Do you think Bryson is involved with discussions on how to run LIV?
This post was edited on 7/15/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/15/25 at 12:30 pm to lsupride87
He signed with LIV when they didn’t get OWGR points. I don’t think this is a dealbreaker for him. He’s not going anywhere
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