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Going to rant about golf rules for a second (Shane Lowry)

Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:30 pm
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33084 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:30 pm
Assessing him a 2 stroke penalty is ridiculous. I know it is the rule and they are just following the rule, but it’s a dumb shite rule. If they can use cameras to assess a penalty they can use a camera to have context and realize there is no reason to penalize him

#rant
Posted by IlikeyouBetty
Bossier City, LA
Member since Nov 2010
1604 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:34 pm to
I’ve seen rulings go in favor of players I thought were stupid as well. It works both ways.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2416 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:43 pm to
Saw it with the volume on mute. Did he get a 2 stroke penalty because it happened twice on practice swings? If it moved once, why isn't it just a single stroke as if he hit the ball
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25012 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

Did he get a 2 stroke penalty because it happened twice on practice swings? If it moved once, why isn't it just a single stroke as if he hit the ball


He got 2 one-stroke penalties. One for moving the ball, and one for not replacing it. Which I think is stupid. If he didn't know it moved, how can he replace it?
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 5:55 pm
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33084 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:53 pm to
quote:

Saw it with the volume on mute. Did he get a 2 stroke penalty because it happened twice on practice swings? If it moved once, why isn't it just a single stroke as if he hit the ball

It’s 2 strike penalty because he didn’t catch it at the time and assess a 1 stroke penalty.

I think
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
17097 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:41 pm to
I’m not positive but every time I see something like this it always seems to be a 2 stroke penalty. You may be correct.
Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Between Your Ears
Member since Aug 2005
3827 posts
Posted on 7/18/25 at 11:31 pm to
The thing that pissed me off about it was the commentators made it about them and having video evidence and non-stop talk for at least 4 holes. The Open, and any other tournament should be about the players and not the commentators.

I was taking a lunch break and saw it live on TV. Live I didn't notice it, but once it was zoomed in a put in slow motion; yes, the ball moved during his practice swing. But to the normal eye is it noticed? Did it improve his lie? I don't think so and it was not intentional. At the end of the day, the rules are the rules but again the commentators made it all about them.

End Rant.

ETA:

I've rewatch video of the ball movement and it was very insignificant. As others have said why two stokes instead of just. The second being because he didn't replace his ball to the original spot. My question is he said didn't see it, but let's assume he did and called a rule's official over to discuss the movement. How do you assume he can move the ball back what 2-4 mm and still have the same lie.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 11:58 pm
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2416 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:04 am to
Why does the rule state you need to place it back in its original spot? Give a stroke for the swing that moved the ball, and the movement of the ball is covered by that stroke. Now not reporting the stroke on your score card is a penalty. And not being able to see that without slo-mo replay is likely going to lead to him not putting the stroke down. But sounds like he got the penalty before signing score cards (could be wrong there).
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20551 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:25 am to
I watched the twitter video.

I think my vision is off bc I did not notice anything.
Posted by Seeing Grey
Member since Sep 2015
798 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 6:31 am to
quote:

Assessing him a 2 stroke penalty is ridiculous. I know it is the rule and they are just following the rule, but it’s a dumb shite rule. If they can use cameras to assess a penalty they can use a camera to have context and realize there is no reason to penalize him


It really is a fricked up situation.

First, to me it appears the ball was sitting on a twig/thick piece of grass that he clipped with his practice swing causing the ball to move. If anything hurting his lie and clearly unintentional, however, he's a idiot for being that close with his practice swing in that lie.

Second, maybe 5% of the field has the camera coverage to even catch the ball movement. Doesn't make sense to me to punish a player for being popular/relevant.

Third, the rules need to govern field not a single situation. You let this slide and eventually you'll have Patrick Reed playing lift, clean, and place while telling you it was an unintentional oscillation.

IMO, is it fair? Probably not. Thankfully, besides a few bucks out of his pocket, it's not really going to change anything.
Posted by farad
Member since Dec 2013
12310 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Assessing him a 2 stroke penalty is ridiculous.


agree totally but really impressed with his interview after... basically said "it is what it is"...

I believe he got screwed...
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
90869 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:00 am to
quote:

I think my vision is off bc I did not notice anything.
the ball moved when he made his practice swing.

No doubt about it.
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
2219 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 10:04 am to
It’s an asinine rule imo. The game of golf is absolutely beautiful but, some of the rules are just ridiculous. A man can take a practice swing snd the ball slightly move without him seeing it and be given a 2 stroke penalty. The ball moving only visible by a zoom in camera. Meanwhile you can take a practice swing off the tee or on the green and actually hit the fukin ball and it doesn’t count. These things just dont make sense
This post was edited on 7/19/25 at 4:01 pm
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
20551 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 1:54 pm to
I finally saw it.

I don’t believe he actually saw it move.

But it did.
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