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Distance paradox?
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:39 am
With all the attention on “distance” , it seems like pros have a hard time with relatively short holes.
Instead of “rolling back the ball” or “limiting equipment”, why not just place an extra par three like 12 at Augusta or the Postage Stamp on championship courses?
Instead of “rolling back the ball” or “limiting equipment”, why not just place an extra par three like 12 at Augusta or the Postage Stamp on championship courses?
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:51 am to makersmark1
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why not just place an extra par three like 12 at Augusta or the Postage Stamp on championship courses?
Those holes are great to watch. As is 17 at Sawgrass. But they’re defenseless without wind.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:53 am to Tyga Woods
I don’t think making course even longer will work.
It’s too much land to maintain .
I remember when 7000 was considered extremely long. Now they are basically 7400+ routinely.
Make Golf Course Short Again!
300 yard par 4s, 100 yard par 3s, 477 yard par 5s.
It’s too much land to maintain .
I remember when 7000 was considered extremely long. Now they are basically 7400+ routinely.
Make Golf Course Short Again!
300 yard par 4s, 100 yard par 3s, 477 yard par 5s.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:10 am to makersmark1
Earl Woods used to say that the best way to Tiger-proof a golf course is to make it tighter and shorter with more doglegs and smaller greens and bring back accuracy into the game. Every addition to length took away more competitors to Tiger’s dominance.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:31 am to makersmark1
The fix is simple imo. Cut the fairway width down and grow the rough up, taking driver out of their hands. Force them to hit mid and long irons into greens.
But the players would bitch about it so I doubt anything gets done.
But the players would bitch about it so I doubt anything gets done.
This post was edited on 7/18/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:42 am to Tyga Woods
They also should go back a balata ball so players are penalized more for mishits. Technology in clubs has advanced so much that these guys aren't scared to play aggressive lines
Rolling the ball back is no different than "tiger proofing." It makes it even more of a power game. The shorter hitters would have no chance
Reducing the maximum size of driver heads wouldn't be a terrible idea either
Rolling the ball back is no different than "tiger proofing." It makes it even more of a power game. The shorter hitters would have no chance
Reducing the maximum size of driver heads wouldn't be a terrible idea either
This post was edited on 7/18/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 7/18/24 at 12:30 pm to lsufball19
Watched a Shell’s Wonderful World of Golf on YouTube yesterday. Snead vs Hogan in 1965 at Houston CC. The course was 7000 yds and both were 53 years old. #1 was 447 par 4. Hogan hit driver, 4-wood. Snead hit driver, 4-iron. Both were on the green pin high. Hogan hit every fairway and all 18 greens and won by 3.
It was a completely different game from what we see today. There were some really long hitters at the time, but great ball strikers could compete. Snead won his last PGA tournament 6 years later at 59 years old.
It was a completely different game from what we see today. There were some really long hitters at the time, but great ball strikers could compete. Snead won his last PGA tournament 6 years later at 59 years old.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 12:31 pm to lsufball19
quote:Yep. I know I don’t like the guy but Wyndham Clark being able to basically play a 300 plus yard actual slice is a joke
They also should go back a balata ball so players are penalized more for mishits
Can’t remember who it was on pga radio but Clark was the example he used of a guy that just wouldn’t be able to play without the modern driver
Posted on 7/18/24 at 2:14 pm to Tyga Woods
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The fix is simple imo. Cut the fairway width down and grow the rough up, taking driver out of their hands. Force them to hit mid and long irons into greens.
But the players would bitch about it so I doubt anything gets done.
The USGA tried this at Winged Foot. Bryson just bombed it down there so he had a wedge in nearly every hole. Everyone missed fairways, but he had the advantage since he was closer. It's easier to hit a PW out of the rough than it is a 7 iron.
This is not the way.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 2:25 pm to makersmark1
Higher rough has to be a factor. Yes, some strong hitters may have a shorter club advantage, but the right kind of rough can turn a hosel.
Make the bunkers more penal.
Pro's don't fear bunkers and sometimes it's where they want to miss.
Uniform lofts on irons. Turning a 8 iron into 6 iron loft only benefit the stronger hitters.
Make the bunkers more penal.
Pro's don't fear bunkers and sometimes it's where they want to miss.
Uniform lofts on irons. Turning a 8 iron into 6 iron loft only benefit the stronger hitters.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 11:02 pm to bopper50
Nobody in pro golf is playing stronger lofts other than Bryson that I know of. It’s only a number on the bottom of the club anyway
Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:50 am to Tyga Woods
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The fix is simple imo. Cut the fairway width down and grow the rough up,
totally agree...
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:38 am to makersmark1
Shoal Creek in 84 (I was there) the rough was just brutal and it gave the pros fits. The Senator course rough here at RTJ in Prattville is worse every single day. If you hit it in that stuff you’re lucky to find it, and even hacking it back to the fairway with a wedge is difficult.
If you have rough like that and tight fairways to force pros to hit fairways it helps. Make bunkers with really high faces toward the green to penalize that miss.
And yes, go back to balata balls. Spin control would get really important.
If you have rough like that and tight fairways to force pros to hit fairways it helps. Make bunkers with really high faces toward the green to penalize that miss.
And yes, go back to balata balls. Spin control would get really important.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:17 am to bopper50
One year, Nicklaus adjusted the bunkers at his tournament at Muirfield Village by breaking off every other tine on the rakes, and raking the traps perpendicularly to the hole, making bunker shots much tougher and less predictable. I thought it was a great idea, since it made the traps actual hazards. Then, after the tournament, they went back to normal raking. This was an impactful, cheap way to toughen the course for the pros, yet not screw it up for the members. Of course, the pros bitched about it, so he never did it again.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:20 am to llfshoals
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Shoal Creek in 84
I was there too!
Trevino won
Posted on 7/19/24 at 10:01 am to BMoney
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The USGA tried this at Winged Foot. Bryson just bombed it down there so he had a wedge in nearly every hole
I remember that. I think that was an exception more than a norm.
Some great short par 4s on tour*:
• Hole 10, Riviera Country Club (Genesis Invitational)
• Hole 12, TPC Sawgrass (The Players Championship)
• Hole 14, Muirfield Village (Memorial Tournament)
• Hole 4 Pebble Beach
• Hole 14 at Bandon Trails is a beast. *not a tour course, but was used in the US Amatuer.
We love seeing the 350-400 yard drives, but a pure long iron from the fairway is much more sexy.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 10:19 am to makersmark1
quote:You should see my autograph book from then and 90. I made one that had a page for each hole.
I was there too!
Nicklaus, Watson, Palmer, Player, Trevino all on one page, several pages with one or more of them. Got everyone who was anyone at least twice, even some guys nobody had ever heard of who ended up being names you know.
Posted on 7/19/24 at 10:26 am to llfshoals
I went on Sunday.
Seems like there was some rain, but not bad.
I can’t remember where we parked or the logistics.
Not much trophy travel back then. We bought a ticket at the gate I guess. I was home from college and just went with a high school friend.
When Auburn was on quarter system, we were not in school in August which is when the golf tournament was back then.
Seems like there was some rain, but not bad.
I can’t remember where we parked or the logistics.
Not much trophy travel back then. We bought a ticket at the gate I guess. I was home from college and just went with a high school friend.
When Auburn was on quarter system, we were not in school in August which is when the golf tournament was back then.
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