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re: DeChambeau is winning The Masters

Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:24 pm to
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Nah Experience wins at Augusta not longest ball




I’m not a Bryson defender but this statement is 100% false.

Tiger played The Masters only twice (t-41 in 1995, MC in 1996) before winning it.

I believe Gene Sarazen and Fuzzy Zoeller both won at Augusta the first time they played it.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:25 pm to
Fact
Posted by Hamma1122
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:25 pm to
Making the cut and winning are a little different
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36125 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:31 pm to
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Making the cut and winning are a little different


Of course, but he's seemingly a better player than years past and he's had moderate success already. If already winning a major was the criteria for winning future majors almost all of the major winners of the last 5 years would have had no chance.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:32 pm to
Bryson is 26 years old and already has 6 PGA Tour wins


Are people really acting like he isnt one of the top golfers in the world?
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:43 pm to
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Well its hard to say that considering he's hitting the ball 7% farther than last time a major was played.


7%? Wowzers.

Does that mean he's 7% more likely to win a major?

Or his best major position improves by 7%? That's like 3.5 whole spots from his best finish ever out of 50 players making the cut and still leaving him out of the top 10.

Not sure how winning and competing in early, non marquee tournaments is mental gymnastics and translates into winning majors.

Dustin Johnson has won 20 something times and has 1.

Keep arguing I guess but until he proves otherwise, your logic is super shitty.

"he's hitting it really far and doing well early in the season so he's going to win the masters"

You're acting like he's 2000s Tiger Woods. He won by 3 strokes yesterday. Not 15.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 3:49 pm
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18765 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:48 pm to
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What does that have to do with him winning big events.


He didn't make the cut in 2 majors last year and didn't crack the top 25 in either that he did. Squeeked into the top 30 on 1 of those.

Do I have to spell it out for you?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:52 pm to
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7%? Wowzers.


That's one of the largest increases of all time, especially in that short of a time frame.

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Or his best major position improves by 7%? That's like 3.5 whole spots from his best finish ever out of 50 players making the cut and still leaving him out of the top 10.


Well thats not an equitable comparison at all.

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Not sure how winning a bunch of early, non marquee tournaments is mental gymnastics and translates into winning majors.



Hes won three really marquee tournaments and another well respected tournament in the John Deer

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Dustin Johnson has won 30 something times and has 1.



Hes also 36. At the same age that Bryson is now, he had less success on Tour

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"he's hitting it really far and doing well early in the season so he's going to win the masters"


Do you think the Masters is still in April? Theres a major in like a month.

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You're acting like he's 2000s Tiger Woods.


No im not, but hes clearly really good and should be considered one of the favorites going into this year's majors

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He won by 3 strokes yesterday.


And hes finished in the top 10 almost every time hes played this year.
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:53 pm to
Last year and now are different. It's apples and oranges. He is a completely different golfer today.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36125 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:54 pm to
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He didn't make the cut in 2 majors last year and didn't crack the top 25 in either that he did. Squeeked into the top 30 on 1 of those.

Do I have to spell it out for you?


I dont know what you're trying to say. I'm not saying to go ahead and engrave his name in the trophy, but he seemingly has as good a chance as any to compete this year, and odds makers and the people around the game pretty much universally agree on that.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38417 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 3:57 pm to
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7%? Wowzers.


That's one of the largest increases of all time, especially in that short of a time frame.



Highly suspect
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36125 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:01 pm to
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Yes

"Officially" Bryson is 6.8% longer than '19.

If you exclude 4 players that gained more due to prov1, there are only 2 plyrs that had bigger year-over-year % increase.

Billy Ray Brown in '95 & Robert Gamez in '94.

I wonder if their increase was metal driver related?


LINK


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.@b_dechambeau -

- Longest average measured driving distance ever by PGA Tour winner (350.6)

- 1st time since beginning of ShotLink a tournament winner led field in both strokes gained off the tee & strokes gained putting

Posted by Zzyzx
Member since Nov 2018
2395 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:07 pm to
I’m not talking about OWGR. Just talent.

Rory
Rahm
DJ
JT
Koepka
Justin Rose
Tiger
Jason Day
Jordan Spieth
Matsuyama
Rickie Fowler
Maybe Fleetwood and Hatton but fringe candidates that are more equatable with Bryson albeit with much better all around games and results.

Editing to add Finau to my list as well

Editing again to add Stenson

Bryson isn’t more talented then any of those guys. And on their day in a big tournament like a Major, they will finish better than him. Just like mostly they always have.

So yes, with those names undoubtedly in front of him coupled with the handful of randoms that crack a good one out of nowhere, I don’t see Bryson in the top 10.

I look forward to bumping this thread soon. PGA Champ this year is his best chance, luckily for him it is first this year. He ain’t sniffing it at Augusta
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 4:16 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36125 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:15 pm to
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Jordan Spieth


Has been horrible for 2 years.

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Matsuyama
Rickie Fowler


Both have less wins than Bryson

quote:

Editing to add Finau to my list as well


Has one opposite field event win.


You are a fricking moron. Bryson very well may finish outside the top 15 in the PGA Championship, but you'll still be a moron
Posted by The Johnny Lawrence
Member since Sep 2016
2211 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:19 pm to
1. You have to acknowledge post covid Bryson isn't the same as pre covid Bryson. So the stats and prior finishes aren't comparable.

2. You have to recognize that he is hitting it further than everyone else on tour, by a good margin, even the long guys. That leads to shorter irons into greens and more birdie opportunities. He is also driving it as straight as anyone else.

3. He is putting the ball really well. He led the field last week in SG putting.

4. He has contended every week post covid. These guys may not be as dialed and he may not be playing in major championahip conditions, but he is beating the fields that are there and on the courses he can play.


Based on those four statements, which can't really be disputed, I don't see how you get to aby conclusion that doesn't have him as the heavy favorite at all 3 majors in 2020
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18765 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:32 pm to
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And hes finished in the top 10 almost every time hes played this year.


Rory 2019.

He's playing good golf but playing good golf at a few shitty, patchy participant, crowdless tournaments post covid 19 does not equate to competing in majors when he has NEVER done that before.

Until he proves otherwise, I'm not sure how you can argue with that logic, no matter how far he is hitting the ball or how well he is playing.

Rory hasn't won one since 2014 and he's 15x the golfer De Bambo is right now and at the same age.
This post was edited on 7/6/20 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36125 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:35 pm to
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He's playing good golf but playing good golf at a few shitty, patchy participant, crowdless tournaments post covid 19 does not equate to competing in majors when he has NEVER done that before.

Until he proves otherwise, I'm not sure how you can argue with that logic, no matter how far he is hitting the ball or how well he is playing.


Well I guess there's only 10 or so guys we can ever say will contend in majors using your logic

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Rory hasn't won one since 2014 and he's 15x the golfer De Bambo is right now and at the same age.


Rory is 31, Bryson is 26
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
18765 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:41 pm to
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Rory is 31, Bryson is 26


I realize that. I'm saying he was still 15x the golfer at 26 and wasn't winning majors.

It's hard as frick, its super mental and its ultra competitive. Winning a bunch of lame arse tournaments and hitting it far doesn't=major wins.

Again, look at DJ.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
21693 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:44 pm to
He’s not
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
36125 posts
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:57 pm to
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I'm saying he was still 15x the golfer at 26 and wasn't winning majors.



Rory had already won all his majors by 26. If the bar we have to compare everyone to is a probably top 10 talented player of all time then everyone sucks.
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