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re: Congrats on LIV Winning the US Open
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:28 am to lsupride87
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:28 am to lsupride87
quote:
lsupride87
You’re the best at moving the goal posts.
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:40 am to hookfin
What have I moved?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:40 am to lsupride87
quote:
I don’t think LIV fans would want to use the majors as a rallying cry for liv and it’s worth
Since 2020 18 majors. LIV owns 8 of them.
Since 2018 26 majors. LIV owns 12 of them
Posted on 6/17/24 at 10:52 am to Dawgsontop34
quote:
That doesn’t really lead me to believe the leagues are equal in terms of talent.
Has there ever been anyone who has said that? There might be guys on here campaigning for LIV and it's annoying to people, but i don't think you will even hear most of the biggest LIV die hards say that the talent level is equal. But to say that LIV golf is goofy golf is just as dumb. Playing one less round ad having music on doesn't make it goofy. Some people might not like the team format, but by all accounts everyone over there seems to enjoy the team aspect, even Rahm. Even if they don't, I think the extra money in their pocket from team wins/placements will keep them happy.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:16 am to Dawgsontop34
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Is this the standard we’re holding LIV to? One golfer was competitive in the tournament so LIV is great?
It’s just dumb to compare since there isn’t an equal representation in the field.
One tour has their top 50 players in almost every major, plus guys who win one of their tournaments.
The other has 10-15 of their guys & a few of their best players not invited.
quote:
That doesn’t really lead me to believe the leagues are equal in terms of talent.
At the top, maybe, & that’s all that should be considered in the conversation. If you’re looking at the entire field strength, of course LIV events wouldn’t get as many OWGR points.
*another note, it’s so dumb that we’re now celebrating Bryson being “back in the top 10 of OWGR”. It’s a great accomplishment, but he never should have dropped to 200+ in the first place
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:31 am to theone
quote:Thats a really really skewed way of presenting the data
Since 2020 18 majors. LIV owns 8 of them. Since 2018 26 majors. LIV owns 12 of them
Counting major wins when the players were on the pga tour is wild
Do you give the ACC Miami’s football titles when they were in the big east?
Will you say an SEC team won the football title in 2005?
If you are simply trying to not be ridiculous you would say an active liv player has won 2 of the 9 majors since it’s existence
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:51 am to lsupride87
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Thats a really really skewed way of presenting the data
My lord. This is you “moving the goal posts”
Okay
Since 2020 18 majors. 10 of those are owned by active PGA Tour members. The remaining ~45% are not.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:52 am to theone
quote:No, not really
My lord. This is you “moving the goal posts”
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:53 am to lsupride87
quote:
What have I moved?
quote:
quote: I don’t think LIV fans would want to use the majors as a rallying cry for liv and it’s worth
quote:
That’s a really skewed way of presenting the data
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:56 am to theone
Yeh, I haven’t moved any goalpost.
My original post:
LIv has not been great at the majors this year. Bryson has been fantastic but as a whole the majors hasn’t been good for liv this year
Us open
2 in the top 20
Bryson and Sergio
PGA
2 in the top 20
Bryson and Burneister
Masters
3 in top 20
Bryson, Hatton, Reed
So, where have I moved any goalpost from my original statement? This has not been a good year for Liv performance at majors
You then bring up majors won my active pga tour players, some of which before liv ever existed. Again, who is moving the goalpost there…..
My original post:
quote:
And this year specifically liv has not done well in majors as a whole. I don’t think LIV fans would want to use the majors as a rallying cry for liv and it’s worth
LIv has not been great at the majors this year. Bryson has been fantastic but as a whole the majors hasn’t been good for liv this year
Us open
2 in the top 20
Bryson and Sergio
PGA
2 in the top 20
Bryson and Burneister
Masters
3 in top 20
Bryson, Hatton, Reed
So, where have I moved any goalpost from my original statement? This has not been a good year for Liv performance at majors
You then bring up majors won my active pga tour players, some of which before liv ever existed. Again, who is moving the goalpost there…..
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 11:59 am
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:04 pm to theone
quote:
theone
You’re being intentionally obtuse. LIV has major winners, nobody would dispute that.
The performance of their major players, outside Bryson, since joining LIV is less than stellar. You and I both know that.
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:12 pm to Swagga
I make a comment about liv performance in majors for this year. He brings up 2020 majors before liv even existed while saying I am moving goalposts. It’s just a wild post 
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:15 pm to Swagga
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The performance of their major players outside, sans Bryson, since joining LIV is less than stellar. You and I both know that.
I know this wasn't directed towards me but I mean Brooks did pretty good last year
Only two guys in the top 20 this week and it was still a win for LIV. The face of the PGA Tour choked and the face of LIV won. Pretty simple.
3 of the last 5 tweets the PGA Tour has made have been about... Neal Shipley. They don't have much to brag about right now, LIV does.
Kind of an odd time to hate on LIV.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:15 pm to Swagga
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The performance of their major players outside, sans Bryson, since joining LIV is less than stellar. You and I both know that.
You could say the same about a few PGA players too. The whole discussion puts LIV at a disadvantage bc they don’t have an equal representation.
How do the 10 best PGA players compare to the 10 best LIV players?
Well, it’s hard to tell since LIV doesn’t have all 10 invited.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:23 pm to JimTiger72
That’s why I added the major players clarification. Meaning Rahm, DJ, Bryson, Cam, Brooks, Phil, etc. The headliners I guess maybe a better way to put it.
It’s hard for me to feel sorry for LIV guys not getting into majors when the criteria to do so is pretty apparent. There’s nothing stopping the league from changing the format, yet they refuse.
It’s hard for me to feel sorry for LIV guys not getting into majors when the criteria to do so is pretty apparent. There’s nothing stopping the league from changing the format, yet they refuse.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:40 pm to Swagga
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There’s nothing stopping the league from changing the format, yet they refuse.
Same ole arguments. We just see it differently.
OWGR should just rank the best players in the world correctly. Already fricking up the Olympic competition too.
Wyndham Clark is one of the best 4 US golfers, really? (He’s 18th on datagolf)
This post was edited on 6/17/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/17/24 at 12:57 pm to evil cockroach
Why can't we just be happy that a good dude won the US Open?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 4:20 pm to JimTiger72
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The other has 10-15 of their guys & a few of their best players not invited.
Everyone is invited to the US Open.
Sergio went out, qualified (1st alternate but still made the field), and then finished in the top 15. Every LIV player had the opportunity to qualify for this tournament.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:42 pm to lsupride87
quote:
LIV fans would want to use the majors as a rallying cry for liv and it’s worth
“Winning majors isn’t worth” - Pride
Posted on 6/17/24 at 5:45 pm to theone
quote:They have won 2/9 and have performed very poorly overall in them this year
“Winning majors isn’t worth” - Pride
You keep bouncing around like a pinball
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