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Posted on 12/9/23 at 1:13 pm to SoDakHawk
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and scores will be the same.
This is true.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 4:36 pm to lsufball19
quote:Got anything to suggest it's wrong?
Did you expect them to say any different when selling the general public on something?
Posted on 12/9/23 at 4:39 pm to AlxTgr
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Got anything to suggest it's wrong?
That if it’s barely going to have an effect, as alleged, the roll back seems pointless.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 1:28 pm to notsince98
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There are a LOT of below average length players on the PGA.
Those guys are obviously extremely strong at other parts of the game or they wouldn't be on tour. The strength of their game isn't being affected, but rather amplified
We are also assuming a distance roll back will only affect distance. If that roll back also affects spin rate (which I REALLY hope is the case), the new ball will be more difficult to control and reward a player with the talent to move the ball.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:04 am to lsufball19
quote:The point is for the longest of players.
That if it’s barely going to have an effect, as alleged, the roll back seems pointless.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 2:32 pm to Basura Blanco
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The strength of their game isn't being affected
Yes it is. If you take 10-15 yards off of a drive, they could go from a scoring iron to a mid iron. That makes a really big difference in them playing for birdie or par.
Just as an example. Take a 450 yard par 4. Rory McIlroy loses 15 yards on his drive but still pokes one out 315 with the new ball. A short tour player with a 280 yard drive is now at 265. Rory is only 135 yards from the pin hitting pitching wedge. Shorter hitting player is sitting 185 yards away hitting a 5-6 iron. Who is in a better spot to score on that hole?
The roll back IMO will even further widen the gap between the long and short hitters on tour. The long hitters will still be able to hit scoring irons into par 4s and the shorter hitting players won't.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:53 pm to lsufball19
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Just as an example. Take a 450 yard par 4. Rory McIlroy loses 15 yards on his drive but still pokes one out 315 with the new ball. A short tour player with a 280 yard drive is now at 265.
Your point stands but it will be a percentage off a yardage.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:55 am to Hou_Lawyer
Who TF cares if a ball is non conforming if you are an amateur playing weekends in non competition format? If they do this and all balls become non-conforming, I'll gladly buy the existing production for a big discount and play them without a care in the world.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:57 am to lsufball19
quote:It's not 15 yards across the board. If Rory loses 15, the 280 yard guy(I don't think there are many or even any) will not lose 15.
Just as an example. Take a 450 yard par 4. Rory McIlroy loses 15 yards on his drive but still pokes one out 315 with the new ball. A short tour player with a 280 yard drive is now at 265. Rory is only 135 yards from the pin hitting pitching wedge. Shorter hitting player is sitting 185 yards away hitting a 5-6 iron. Who is in a better spot to score on that hole?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:45 am to AlxTgr
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It's not 15 yards across the board. If Rory loses 15, the 280 yard guy(I don't think there are many or even any) will not lose 15.
doing quick math, the 280 guy drops down to a 267 yard drive. So he's 183 yards from the pin compared to Rory's 135. That still the same significant advantage to a long hitter and honestly more a disservice to the shorter hitter who would have been hitting a 8-9 iron into the green prior to the roll back.
I think the issue with the roll back is they are only thinking about distance when, in reality, there's nothing you can do to the distance side of things to eliminate the huge advantage of hitting it long. That's just going to be an advantage for the long hitter as long as they have a playable lie from a shorter distance.
IMO the penalty for mishits, or lack thereof, is what is making it such that distance is such an advantage in today's game with today's technology. If they went to a "spinnier" ball and dialed back on the tech in drivers I think you'd see more a leveling of the distance/control aspect of the game
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:01 am to lsufball19
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If they went to a "spinnier" ball and dialed back on the tech in drivers I think you'd see more a leveling of the distance/control aspect of the game
I just listened to the NLU interview with Mike Whan and Martin Slumbers. They said the ball was the first, and easiest step. They are definitely looking at the tech for drivers, but it is not an easy solution. That would also be one aspect where bifurcation would almost have to be a must. Losing some distance on golf balls can be tolerated, telling amateurs they are going to have to get used to bigger misses on mishits is a tough sell.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:45 am to lsufball19
quote:Can you show your math on both?
doing quick math, the 280 guy drops down to a 267 yard drive. So he's 183 yards from the pin compared to Rory's 135.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:49 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:49 am to AlxTgr
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Can you show your math on both?
Losing 15 yards on a 330 yard drive is 4.5%. 4.5% of 280 is 12.6 yards
Edit: someone super edgy downvoted math
If you want to get super technical based on that graph, 11 yards on a 300 yard drive is 3.67%. 3.67% on a 280 yard drive is 10.27 yards. So a whole 2.4 yards difference in the rough math I provided. The horror.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 12:49 pm
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