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re: The Witcher 4 Reveal Trailer
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:12 am to td01241
Posted on 12/19/24 at 5:12 am to td01241
It's more of an "opinions are like assholes" position.
I don't need to convince you the game is gonna be great, I'm definitely not gonna go back and forth over it the next 3 years. You've made up your mind that you know better. Good for you. I'm gonna place my trust in the Polish studio developing a game about a Polish IP.
I'll be playing the game and enjoying it just like the witcher 1, 2, 3, and cyberpunk.
I don't need to convince you the game is gonna be great, I'm definitely not gonna go back and forth over it the next 3 years. You've made up your mind that you know better. Good for you. I'm gonna place my trust in the Polish studio developing a game about a Polish IP.
I'll be playing the game and enjoying it just like the witcher 1, 2, 3, and cyberpunk.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 5:26 am
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 6:49 am to Corinthians420
It’s not gonna be good their whole team is blue haired “women” now
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:04 am to el Gaucho
Apparently so. I'm hoping if they dye their hair pink before they get too deep into the dev cycle they might be able to save it though
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:13 am to el Gaucho
The fact they are saying Ciri is a Witcher is concerning. They need to have an EXCEPTIONALLY strong explanation as to how that is possible.
-Mutagen kills females
-They are out of mutagen
-Ciri becoming a Witcher is silly
She has command of space and time, this is like giving Superman a 9mm, and acting as though it is important that he have a pistol to fight crime.
I am excited to play as Ciri, in a real capacity.
The ESG and DEI stuff at CDPR definitely means I will keep an eye on this one.
-Mutagen kills females
-They are out of mutagen
-Ciri becoming a Witcher is silly
She has command of space and time, this is like giving Superman a 9mm, and acting as though it is important that he have a pistol to fight crime.
I am excited to play as Ciri, in a real capacity.
The ESG and DEI stuff at CDPR definitely means I will keep an eye on this one.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 9:16 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:51 am to Corinthians420
If your house builder switched out his Mexicans for blue hairs mid build would you still want to live in the house?
It’s the same way with games
Nerdy white dudes and Asians make good games. I don’t make the rules
It’s the same way with games
Nerdy white dudes and Asians make good games. I don’t make the rules
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:52 am to Roaad
Here is one of the games leads responses to ciri being a Witcher.
“I can actually give you a very good answer, because it's the answer that Andrzej Sapkowski usually gives: the answer is in the books,” Kalemba said. “And in the books, Andrzej Sapkowski called Ciri a witcher multiple times, and Geralt called Ciri a witcher in the books too."
Here is a reddit post from 2019 citing all the book info on becoming a witcher
The ending I got for the witcher 3 was basically proof that Ciri was a witcher as well.
That is 7 years old. This isn't a recon.
Sword of Destiny in which Geralt says a Child of Destiny wouldn't need to undergo the Trials to become a witcher was written in 1992. That is very clearly foreshadowing ciri becoming a witcher (as Geralt acknowledges in the books) 32 years ago
“I can actually give you a very good answer, because it's the answer that Andrzej Sapkowski usually gives: the answer is in the books,” Kalemba said. “And in the books, Andrzej Sapkowski called Ciri a witcher multiple times, and Geralt called Ciri a witcher in the books too."
Here is a reddit post from 2019 citing all the book info on becoming a witcher
quote:
On Ciri as a Witcher - Book Lore
So I have noticed a few people questioning whether or not Ciri is a Witcher. I have read the books a couple of times and I am pretty certain that she is. Starting from the beginning: Ciri is a Child of Surprise/Child of Destiny. From chapter IV of Season of Storms Sword of Destiny, Geralt is explaining to Calanthe that a Child of Surprise MIGHT not need the Trial of Grasses to become a Witcher. The passage reads as follows with the person speaking clarified in brackets: [Calanthe] "Do you believe a Child of Destiny would pass through the Trials without danger?" [Geralt] "We believe such a child would not require the Trials." As the knowledge of the Trials has been lost, this means that Witchers can still be created through these children. 2) Ciri was also trained in the Witcher ways with a few enhancement potions (not mutagens) and sword fighting by Geralt and other Witchers at Kaer Mohren. So even though she has not been mutated yet, she still possesses all the other qualities that someone in the Witcher profession would need. 3) Finally, towards the end of Lady of the Lake, when Geralt and Ciri are fighting Tawny Owl, Ciri starts to show that she is becoming a Witcher: "Geralt glanced at Ciri. And almost howled with fury, seeing streaks shining white as silver in her ashen hair." White hair being a sign of a Witcher. During this time, Geralt also starts referring to Ciri as "Witcher girl", indicating that he accepts her as one.
The ending I got for the witcher 3 was basically proof that Ciri was a witcher as well.
That is 7 years old. This isn't a recon.
Sword of Destiny in which Geralt says a Child of Destiny wouldn't need to undergo the Trials to become a witcher was written in 1992. That is very clearly foreshadowing ciri becoming a witcher (as Geralt acknowledges in the books) 32 years ago
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:58 am to Corinthians420
So she is a honorary witcher, like in the books. Meh. . .we'll see
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:03 am to Roaad
The devs have stated she will undergo the trial of grasses in the new game, but even without it I feel she is a full witcher already. If she were a normal child it wouldn't be possible without the mutations, but she has the elder blood and is the child of destiny. She can do things others can't without mutations.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:26 pm to Corinthians420
quote:if true, I'm out
The devs have stated she will undergo the trial of grasses in the new game
That's right there with making Dragon Age a lighthearted family-friendly game with Pixar dialogue. . .I mean, can you imagine?
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:58 pm to Roaad
The lore states that the trial of the grasses has been tried on females twice but they never survived. Maybe Ciri undergoes a modified version of it or her elder blood allows her to survive. I don't know, but it certainly isn't more lore breaking than Geralt being killed by a mob with a pitchfork then coming back to the world with amnesia, and those things didn't ruin the games for me at all.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:19 pm to Roaad
quote:
That's right there with making Dragon Age a lighthearted family-friendly game with Pixar dialogue. . .I mean, can you imagine?
I don't know that much about dragon age lore, I only played the first game. There's nothing in witcher lore (I've read all of the books multiple times) that is a huge change about Ciri undergoing the trials. They are just a procedure. The Witcher doesn't have set in stone rules like some fantasy. Geralts mother had him despite being an "infertile" sorceress
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:20 pm to Corinthians420
quote:
I don't know, but it certainly isn't more lore breaking than Geralt being killed by a mob with a pitchfork then coming back to the world with amnesia, and those things didn't ruin the games for me at all.
He got a gut shot with a pitchfork but didn’t die because of Ciri ex machina. Important distinction!
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:25 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Ciri ex machina
Haha I guess that's a good way to put it. Thank goodness for that too. I love the mystery behind how magic and such works in the Witcher.
Too many fantasy series these days (especially Sanderson) go too deep in trying to logically explain how it works at the expense of entertainment.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:48 pm to Corinthians420
quote:
Too many fantasy series these days (especially Sanderson) go too deep in trying to logically explain how it works at the expense of entertainment.
Ooo, hard disagree. Sanderson believes, and I agree with him, that the better explained and consistent a magic system is, the more your reader will tolerate it being used to solve major problems/plot points. I can’t think of any author currently doing magic systems better than Sanderson.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 4:02 pm to Joshjrn
He certainly goes into great detail and I still enjoy his books and the mist born series. I just prefer what he considers Tolkien's style of magic a little more.
Sanderson's Magic Systems Thesis
Sanderson's Magic Systems Thesis
Posted on 12/19/24 at 4:17 pm to Corinthians420
quote:
He certainly goes into great detail and I still enjoy his books and the mist born series. I just prefer what he considers Tolkien's style of magic a little more.
Yeah, I’m the complete opposite I tolerate “soft magic” systems (I’ve read what you posted before, and I actually watched one of his YouTube class lectures on the subject years ago), but I usually find them grating. In his lecture, he talks about how most people think it’s a power’s… power… that makes it interesting, but that he thinks the opposite: a power’s weakness is what makes it interesting. Superman is the most boring character in the universe with kryptonite. The more specifically outlined, and therefore limited, a magic system is, the more interesting it is as a problem solving tool. In some of his early works, like Elantris, he was still figuring that out. But his more recent Cosmere works, and especially Stormlight books? I can’t get enough of the magic systems. And anytime I read fantasy with softer magic systems, it always feels like something is missing to me.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:21 pm to Corinthians420
quote:Because the hormones in the mutagen.
The lore states that the trial of the grasses has been tried on females twice but they never survived.
Unless they are saying that Ciri isn't female, even though the biology is canonically identical with regards to hormones/organs/etc. It is why Ciri can be healed with conventional means and has a period.
Not only has Ciri never been given the mutagen in the source material, but Geralt and Vesimir have aggressively, and in some cases violently forbade it.
Honorary Witcher who achieved the change through magic, I could definitely stomach. Ciri surviving the mutagen. . .I can't and won't.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 7:25 pm to Corinthians420
quote:That was just a way to have progression. I get that.
I don't know, but it certainly isn't more lore breaking than Geralt being killed by a mob with a pitchfork then coming back to the world with amnesia, and those things didn't ruin the games for me at all.
and it was lazy as shite, too
How would that break lore, though, knowing the source material?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 8:58 pm to Roaad
It wouldn't, and neither does a female completing the Trial of the grasses.
There is no established lore that it's impossible for a female to survive. I'm sure we will find out how it occurs when the game is released. Maybe Ciri time travels (as she has before) back to when the Trials were first created and figures out how to make them more successful. The possibilities really are endless as of now how it occurs.
I don't think Geralt would let her undergo them without a pretty good idea she could survive in the first place though, noone would take that risky chance with someone they care about.
Oh well, we'll unravel it all in a few years
There is no established lore that it's impossible for a female to survive. I'm sure we will find out how it occurs when the game is released. Maybe Ciri time travels (as she has before) back to when the Trials were first created and figures out how to make them more successful. The possibilities really are endless as of now how it occurs.
I don't think Geralt would let her undergo them without a pretty good idea she could survive in the first place though, noone would take that risky chance with someone they care about.
Oh well, we'll unravel it all in a few years
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:32 pm to Roaad
quote:
Unless they are saying that Ciri isn't female
Here we fricking go. :)
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