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re: The Witcher 4 Reveal Trailer
Posted on 6/6/25 at 7:45 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 6/6/25 at 7:45 pm to imjustafatkid
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Her passing and not dying breaks lore. Women can't.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:57 pm to sicboy
I don't know a lot about Witcher book lore. I get that normal women wouldn't survive, but why couldn't an extraordinary woman with superpowers like Ciri be able to survive? What's the lore reason?
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:16 pm to Blitzed
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But were they not training her to be a Witcher at the start of the game? I know it was a “dream” but Geralt and vesemir were reminiscing about those days when talking about it…
In the books, she receives a decent amount of training for a child, but she was by no means a professional. She could handle herself just fine against “normal” people, but anytime she went face to face with a real killer, she needed to revert to tricks or subterfuge to come out alive. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but she wasn’t even approaching a Witcher’s skill, even without the enhanced abilities the Trial offers. Not that that couldn’t be remedied between games, obviously.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 10:30 pm to imjustafatkid
I doubt there iis any intent or any reason to even try the Trial of the Grasses. At the end of Witcher 3 the knowledge was barely retained. There hadn't been a new one made in decades.
CIri was brimming with potential so it makes perfect sense that with some training she'd be a capable fighter, just not using decoctions or signs.
CIri was brimming with potential so it makes perfect sense that with some training she'd be a capable fighter, just not using decoctions or signs.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:37 am to imjustafatkid
quote:They don't
These statements seem to contradict.
quote:Her magic couldn't save her from magically poisoning herself. Will and intent is a large part of magic.
Couldn't she survive it specifically because she's so powerful?
If she had a second elder magic user to keep her alive, it could be possible. . .
But then the question would be why?
Why is it so important that she take the male mutagen?
What benefit does it offer her, when every "ability" she would gain can already be effortlessly done by her magic
Think about this:
If you could already sense monsters magically and use Witcher vision-type abilities, why would you risk possible death and DEFINITE sterility just to have those abilities non-magically?
It's giving Superman a kryptonite gun to use
It just doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:40 am to sicboy
Oh look, I can use AI, too
quote:
Ciri surviving the Trial of the Grasses in The Witcher universe would indeed raise significant lore issues, as the process is deeply tied to the established rules of the Witcher world. Below are the primary reasons why her survival would violate the lore, based on the established canon from Andrzej Sapkowski’s books, the games, and related materials:
The Trial of the Grasses Is Designed for Male Witchers
The Trial of the Grasses, a mutagenic process involving alchemical concoctions and magical enhancements, was specifically developed for young boys to transform them into witchers. The process is tailored to male physiology, as witchers in the lore (e.g., Vesemir, Geralt, Lambert) are exclusively male. The School of the Wolf, where Ciri was trained, never conducted trials on girls due to the extreme biological and hormonal differences, which would make the trial’s mutagens incompatible or even more lethal for females. The lore explicitly states that the trial’s survival rate is low even for boys (only 3 out of 10 survive), and there’s no precedent for a female undergoing it, suggesting it’s either impossible or highly improbable.
Ciri’s Unique Physiology (Elder Blood)
Ciri possesses the Elder Blood (Lara Dorren’s gene), which grants her unique magical abilities and a connection to the multiverse. The Trial of the Grasses involves mutagens that drastically alter the subject’s biology, often causing sterility and severe physical changes. There’s no lore precedent for how Elder Blood would interact with these mutagens, but given its rarity and power, it’s likely that such a process could destabilize or destroy her unique genetic traits. The trial’s mutagens might either kill her outright or disrupt her Elder Blood abilities, which are central to her role in the story. Her survival would require an unprecedented and unexplained compatibility that the lore doesn’t support.
Historical Context: No Female Witchers
The lore of The Witcher establishes that witchers are male, with no recorded instances of female witchers in the books or games. The trials were conducted by male-dominated schools (e.g., Wolf, Cat, Griffin), and the process was never adapted for females due to its extreme lethality and the patriarchal structure of the witcher guilds. Ciri’s training at Kaer Morhen focused on combat and monster-hunting skills, not the mutagenic trials, because the witchers (Vesemir, Geralt, etc.) knew she couldn’t undergo the process. Her survival would break this established tradition without any canonical explanation.
The Trial’s Lethality and Ciri’s Age
The Trial of the Grasses is typically administered to prepubescent boys, as their bodies are more malleable to the mutagens. Ciri, by the time she’s at Kaer Morhen, is older (around 12–14 in the books), which would make her a poor candidate even if she were male. The trial’s survival rate is abysmal, and older candidates face even higher risks due to their bodies being less adaptable. Ciri surviving such a process, despite her age and gender, would contradict the lore’s emphasis on the trial’s extreme danger and specificity.
Ciri’s Role as a Non-Witcher Hero
In the lore, Ciri’s strength lies in her unique destiny, Elder Blood powers, and her training as a warrior and sorceress, not as a witcher. The narrative deliberately sets her apart from the witcher archetype—her path is tied to her magical heritage and her ability to navigate worlds, not to becoming a mutated monster hunter. Forcing her through the Trial of the Grasses would undermine her unique role in the story and blur the distinction between her and traditional witchers, which the lore carefully maintains.
Lack of Canonical Precedent
Neither the books nor the games provide any examples of a female surviving the Trial of the Grasses. While some fan theories or non-canonical sources (e.g., the Netflix series) might suggest experimental trials or deviations, these are not supported by Sapkowski’s original works or CD Projekt Red’s games. For instance, the books mention experiments on children (e.g., at the School of the Cat), but there’s no evidence of successful female witchers. Ciri surviving the trial would require a significant retcon or invention outside the established lore.
Potential Sterility Conflict
The Trial of the Grasses renders male witchers sterile, a key aspect of their transformation. Ciri’s Elder Blood lineage is tied to her potential to pass on her magical heritage (a major plot point in the books, as various factions seek to control her reproductive future). If she survived the trial, the resulting sterility would conflict with the lore’s emphasis on her bloodline’s importance, creating a narrative inconsistency.
Conclusion
Ciri surviving the Trial of the Grasses would violate the lore due to the trial’s male-specific design, her unique Elder Blood physiology, the absence of female witchers in canon, her age, and the narrative role she plays as a non-witcher. Any depiction of her undergoing and surviving the trial would require significant deviations from established rules, lacking support from the books or games. If this idea stems from a specific source (e.g., the Netflix series or fan content), it could be a creative liberty, but it doesn’t align with the core Witcher lore. If you have a specific context in mind (e.g., a show, game, or fan theory), let me know, and I can address it further!
Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:42 am to Thundercles
quote:Pretty sure the devs said she was going to pass the trial of grasses
I doubt there iis any intent or any reason to even try the Trial of the Grasses.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 6:46 am to Blitzed
quote:Absolutely
I actually have never beat the Witcher 3. But I did enjoy her as a character.
Totally think she capable of carrying the franchise on.
Ciri is a great character and aside from being too powerful, is a great Character to move ahead with as the face of the franchise
My issues are not with her as a character, or even the main character
I defended the decision full-on, until it was said she was going to pass the trial of the grasses
Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:12 am to Roaad
You know where the AI search gets its content?
Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:17 am to Roaad
quote:
Ciri, by the time she’s at Kaer Morhen, is older (around 12–14 in the books), which would make her a poor candidate even if she were male. The trial’s survival rate is abysmal, and older candidates face even higher risks due to their bodies being less adaptable. Ciri surviving such a process, despite her age and gender, would contradict the lore’s emphasis on the trial’s extreme danger and specificity
The age in this response is a clear indicator that you typed in why didnt ciri take the trial of the grasses in the books at kaer morhen.
It says 12-14, and raises the fertility issue like triss did.
The witcher 4 is gonna be late 20s, early 30s ciri.
Also, you still couldnt cite one example from the book where it says females "can't" pass the trials. Just more examples that mostly males tried it it because the mortality rate was so high it was assumed women, being weaker, would have no shot.
That doesnt apply to ciri, she is the opposite of weak
Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:21 am to sicboy
quote:Grok gets it from all over
You know where the AI search gets its content?
Some Sapkowski tourist posted an AI response, so I just did the same. I didn't even read it. Just showing that AI can very much be garbage in/garbage out.
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 7:22 am
Posted on 6/7/25 at 7:35 am to Roaad
You argue like a female. Cant address the conversation head on.
100% bitch, you definitely wouldnt pass any trials
The burden of proof always lies on the accuser. Your stance is it breaks lore because a female CAN'T pass the trials.
Yet you cant find a single sentence in 8 books to back that stance.
Your proof is it hasnt happened and hasn't been tried that much.
The same could be said of humans flying until the wright brothers came along and made the first flight in 1903
100% bitch, you definitely wouldnt pass any trials
The burden of proof always lies on the accuser. Your stance is it breaks lore because a female CAN'T pass the trials.
Yet you cant find a single sentence in 8 books to back that stance.
Your proof is it hasnt happened and hasn't been tried that much.
The same could be said of humans flying until the wright brothers came along and made the first flight in 1903
This post was edited on 6/7/25 at 7:40 am
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:20 am to Roaad
The output from AI comes with a link it pulled the info from. I usually peruse whatever it kicks out and click the links to see where the info is from and if it actually said what it claims.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:24 am to sicboy
What I am saying is AI will always try to give you the answer you ask for. . .so how you ask the question is the "garbage in" portion
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
And in re-reading the post I can see that it wasn't clear, so definitely my error
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
And in re-reading the post I can see that it wasn't clear, so definitely my error
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:36 am to Roaad
"Can a woman become a witcher"
How is that?
How is that?
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:41 am to Roaad
quote:
If you could already sense monsters magically and use Witcher vision-type abilities, why would you risk possible death and DEFINITE sterility just to have those abilities non-magically?
I get what you mean. So essentially she should be able to perform all of the signs without needing to go through the witcher trials.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:42 am to sicboy
Maybe.
Am I not being clear? I don't consider AI to be authoritative.
Even in it's best form, it is still operating within the parameters of the people that programmed it. It still has limitations on what it can and can't say.
Am I not being clear? I don't consider AI to be authoritative.
Even in it's best form, it is still operating within the parameters of the people that programmed it. It still has limitations on what it can and can't say.
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:45 am to Roaad
Oh I know. You can type in "why can't a woman be a witcher" or "how can a woman become a witcher" and get links of people agreeing with your point.
And again, I don't take the AI output as gospel, just use it as a jump off point
And again, I don't take the AI output as gospel, just use it as a jump off point
Posted on 6/7/25 at 8:46 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Well, she can't do signs. . .that is a different kind of magic.
I get what you mean. So essentially she should be able to perform all of the signs without needing to go through the witcher trials.
But she can do all the things the signs do, with less thought and effort
Basically the only advantage she would gain from the trials, is the ability to drink the potions that she wouldn't need because of her magic.

Seriously, you should read the books. Ciri is crazy awesome
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