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re: The Witcher 4 Reveal Trailer

Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:15 am to
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:15 am to
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So you are using the teeniest tiniest "but maybe" because he doesn't spell it out in an explicitly clear manner to exclude all possible one-off reads of the material?

I didn't call ciri a Witcher in the books, Sapkowski did. He wrote them.
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3) Andrzej Sapkowski certainly had no intention for women to be traditional Witchers. Academics have literally written volumes on his misogyny

Lmao if he had NO intention for women to become witchers why did he write an entire book series that culminated in a female becoming a Witcher. He could've avoided calling her that completely. Also could've never refenced them giving her the Trial of the Grasses like he did in the books. Show me where Sapkowski ever used the words "Traditional Witcher". In fact Geralt explicitly says in the books that a child of destiny wouldn't need to pass the trials to become a Witcher. He doesn't say "an honorary Witcher". You are making a distinction that doesn't exist in the books aka coping
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the difference between you and I, is I have read them at all in ANY language.

You have just read ABOUT them.

Wrong again, I have read them and continue to read ABOUT them. This isn't an either/or thing. You can do both.

Hell I just joined a discord for the Riyria books I am currently finishing reading. Most people enjoy discussing the books they have read after they finish them. Tigerdroppings even has a board for it but there is no Witcher discussion there.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 7:11 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:46 am to
My man I generally like you most times but you’re losing this battle. Sapkowski novels are literally overflowing with powerful female characters both in hard and soft power. Geralt is far from the most powerful person in the world. Ever heard of a guy called Vilgefortz who beats the shite out of him, then turns a higher vampire into literal blobs of matter before geralt only kills him thanks to….a token given to him by fringilo vigo I think.

You’re using semantics because the Witcher’s of the wolf called her Witcher same way men serving in the army together may called on another brothers. Again I’m not weighing in on ciri or the game just pointing out you’re typing a lot and losing
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:57 am to
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Sapkowski novels are literally overflowing with powerful female characters both in hard and soft power

Yet roaad just said he wouldn't make a female Witcher because of misogyny.

Destiny is one of the most important themes in the books and Sapkowski specifically had his main character say "A child of destiny wouldn't need a trial of grasses to become a Witcher" despite the fact Geralt didn't even believe in destiny at that point.

That's the opposite of him saying it's impossible for Ciri to become a Witcher
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 11:04 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:02 am to
Let me pose you the question this way then. Ciri is unarguably the most powerful person in that universe and most of fiction already. What possible need could she have to take the trials? And more importantly what motivation could the devs have behind making her a full blown Witcher knowing all this?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:09 am to
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Let me pose you the question this way then. Ciri is unarguably the most powerful person in that universe and most of fiction already. What possible need could she have to take the trials? And more importantly what motivation could the devs have behind making her a full blown Witcher knowing all this?

Their job is to come up with a satisfying reason that doesn't seem too forced.

How well they execute that is still to be seen.

Maybe Ciri lost her powers when she defeated the white frost.

Maybe the elder blood/her powers are killing her and the mutations can keep her alive.

Maybe she is tired of nobles chasing her for her blood and wants to become infertile through undergoing the trials.

Your guess is as good as mine, but it doesn't matter because the studio is already working on this and we'll discover the answers in the game.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:13 am to
I mean I know all this. I hypothesized as such on the literal first page one of the things you mentioned. You didn’t answer my question. Either part of it. No where did I ask how they would would pull it off
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 11:16 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:20 am to
The need is to continue Ciris story and the witcher universe. It's hard to do that if you dont reign in her powers some. Pretty much every gaming franchise resets the characters powers at the beginning of a new game and forces you to unlock new ones.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:23 am to
Ok I grant you and I agree with the fact if you intend on making ciri main character her power must be scaled back I’ve said it a lot in this thread. Why must it specifically be scaled back to match a witchers power though and why can’t she have her own form of powers that are a mix of her Witcher training without the mutations and her ability as a conduit for magic? The answer is of course 1) before anything else, marketing
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:25 am to
I honestly thought Ciri becoming a Witcher at the end of Witcher 3 was the "right" ending if you made the choices Geralt would make.

So it is a the logical continuation to where I left off the last game
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:26 am to
Yes that’s the best ending, but she doesn’t actually take the mutations in that ending. She becomes a Witcher on the path using her own powers and years of training under Witchers. Which is what we all wanted:
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:35 am to
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Which is what we all wanted:

I think a lot of fans wanted "something more"

I bought the thronebreaker game but it wasn't anything like getting Witcher 4. I just hope they can match the level of the narratives in Witcher 2 and 3 and do as well with Ciri dialog as Geralt
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:30 pm to
10 years later, "around 100" Witcher 3 devs are still at CD Projekt Red working on games like The Witcher 4

LINK
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:39 pm to
Lol it’s laughable you’re dying on this hill. Look up a studio named rebel wolves led by the director of Witcher 3, head writer at Witcher 3 (who you claimed was still at cdpr), and other senior staff driven out of cdpr. The name rebel wolves should be pretty damn spot on.

To use the new community notes function to your numbers: Witcher 3 amazingly was made in roughly 3 years at 80milliom. It began full production with 135 full time in house talent scaling up to 250 6 months from going gold. You’re almost certainly conflating the technically possibly 1000s who “worked” on the game via out sourcing, voice acting, etc etc but not what he considered key talent. Cdpr has been gutted badly. You can hate that or love it by you need to accept it.

That studio rebel wolves (love the play on word of geralt being a wolf and they were are blacklisted from cdpr) I have very high hopes for. Check out their website

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Rebel Wolves is a new studio, but our team has years of experience working on some of the most critically acclaimed video games of all times. We co-created titles such as “The Witcher 3”, “Cyberpunk 2077”, and many others. We decided to create our own studio and run it on our own terms. Chief among them: the team comes first, always. Happy people make great games – games players want and deserve. Yes, it’s as simple as that.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:11 am to
Take it up with the ceo.

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At least two of the veterans Nowakowski mentions hold key roles on The Witcher 4, too, as he adds: "The main story director is the same person since Witcher 1. The main vision holder is the same person since Witcher 1."

Borys Pugacz-Muraszkiewicz is still there and he is the credited lead writer on the witcher 2.

Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:37 am to
Oh yeah the ceo he’s a trustworthy guy remember how awesome he told us cyperpunk would be on launch then had to make a hostage apology video? His job is to market the game, not produce the truth.

Oh and btw guys have no hype for the remake of Witcher 1 remake. For those that don’t know it’s a 100% fully outsourced cash grab giving a no name study near full creative control
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 7:43 am
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:13 pm to
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His job is to market the game, not produce the truth.

so you don't think that guy actually was the lead writer on Witcher 2? they went back and patched the game and changed it?
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Oh and btw guys have no hype for the remake of Witcher 1 remake. For those that don’t know it’s a 100% fully outsourced cash grab giving a no name study near full creative control

this is very common for remakes. Bluepoint games did the Demon's Souls remake LINK. It turned out great despite them only doing a few remakes.

the CEO of the company doing witcher 1 remake worked at CDPR during witcher 2/3. It could suck but it's wayyy too early to say it's a 100% cash grab. Their game they released this year has very positive reviews on steam.

also, did you really hate cyberpunk? it ran pretty well on my PC on release and I beat the game and Phantom Liberty.

They had some really innovative stuff, i just didn't really like the gunplay all that much compared to witcher style combat. I beat a lot of the missions with straight hacking.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:27 pm to
There is little value to arguing with this kid. He is just trying to run out the clock and get the last word.

All he wants is to be the defender of big corpos and the anti-anti-woke clown.

He has never read any of the books, and just scans reddit for points.

Look, for example, at his last response to me. I never said Ciri couldn't be a Witcher, just not a traditional witcher who goes through all the trials. He doesn't want to argue that, so he is strawmanning me as saying, she can't be considered a Witcher by characters in the book.

The whole thing reeks of a kid who just doesn't want to lose, so he will keep nit picking and strawmanning to avoid the devastatingly fatal action of *gasp* being wrong on the interwebs.

There is a reason LITERALLY nobody is backing him up, or agreeing with him. He will keep posting the same completely wrong stuff long after you get bored with him, and he will chalk that up as a win. I say let him. Everyone knows his schtick by now.

The only way to make kids like that learn, is to just stop responding to them, and let them skyscream into the void.

Just my advice, do what you want though.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:36 pm to
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I never said Ciri couldn't be a Witcher, just not a traditional witcher who goes through all the trials.

you called her an "honorary" witcher.

that isn't a thing. she's either a witcher or not, and according to the books and the game she is.

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He has never read any of the books

also, it's a sign of how weak of a man you are that even when your assumptions are proven wrong you stick with them anyway. insecurity at it's finest.

I'm not here to win any arguments, i'm just here to discuss the game (i've been replaying it and finally played the newest quest from the ps5 update patch) and the only people that seem to be discussing it are you 2 that I happen to disagree with.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 4:50 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44173 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:25 pm to
Dude, you’re a contrarian troll in every forum you post on here.
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
81812 posts
Posted on 1/12/25 at 10:28 am to
Just stop engaging with him, until he presents a good faith argument, or an original thought he didn't plagiarize from Reddit.
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you’re a contrarian troll
He's like SFP, if SFP were 16, lied a lot, and got all his arguments from Reddit.
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