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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:36 pm to UltimateHog
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:36 pm to UltimateHog
It's a shame that there haven't been marked gains on random read/write over the last couple of generations. Most users don't really see anything from gains in sequential read/write, even massive gains. And games couldn't care less about sequential.
On CDM, that drive has 4x the sequential read/write of my Gen 3 NVME, but only twice the random Q32T16 performance and nearly identical random Q1T1 performance. Now, for professionals who move massive video files around all day? That 4x performance is incredible. But most people rarely, if ever, do that. They likely won't even see noticeable gains, much less gains that justify the current price tags.
On CDM, that drive has 4x the sequential read/write of my Gen 3 NVME, but only twice the random Q32T16 performance and nearly identical random Q1T1 performance. Now, for professionals who move massive video files around all day? That 4x performance is incredible. But most people rarely, if ever, do that. They likely won't even see noticeable gains, much less gains that justify the current price tags.
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Posted on 1/6/23 at 6:05 pm to Joshjrn
I just wish I could buy it now, but they keep delaying them. First it was Nov, then CES launch, now Q2. 
Posted on 1/8/23 at 8:58 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 1/9/23 at 9:08 am to Joshjrn
Debating on whether to get a new gen 3d chip or just get a 5600. Will wait until black friday to decide.
The GPU prices are gonna have to come waaaaaaaay down. The 6xxx series is cheap, but I do want some ray tracing performance. I'm part of the problem, I guess.
The GPU prices are gonna have to come waaaaaaaay down. The 6xxx series is cheap, but I do want some ray tracing performance. I'm part of the problem, I guess.
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:15 am to hoojy
Watching a lot of youtube previews on new 4000 series laptops at CES and it seems a ton of them have strangely very low TGP ratings.
Like saw something for a budget $999 starting gaming laptop with a 4050 and 4060 option and they said the GPU (presumably 4050 option) is rated at 35w? Seems crazy low for a budget full size gaming laptop. These have had 80-115w GPUs in the past in those chassis no problem. The 4050 is rated up to 115w anyways. This wasnt a thin and light either. Something equivalent to like a TUF15.
Also saw a premium thin gaming laptop they said would be limited to like 65w but still offered up to a 4070 or something. Seems totally pointless.
Is this an nvidia thing or whats going on there?
Like saw something for a budget $999 starting gaming laptop with a 4050 and 4060 option and they said the GPU (presumably 4050 option) is rated at 35w? Seems crazy low for a budget full size gaming laptop. These have had 80-115w GPUs in the past in those chassis no problem. The 4050 is rated up to 115w anyways. This wasnt a thin and light either. Something equivalent to like a TUF15.
Also saw a premium thin gaming laptop they said would be limited to like 65w but still offered up to a 4070 or something. Seems totally pointless.
Is this an nvidia thing or whats going on there?
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:23 am to thunderbird1100
If you can get equal or more performance for a significant drop in power, you take it all day in a laptop
Posted on 1/9/23 at 10:41 am to bluebarracuda
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If you can get equal or more performance for a significant drop in power, you take it all day in a laptop
You're leaving a ton of performance on the table though if you're talking a budget laptop that typically have 80-115w GPU and suddenly limit to just 35w though. Even if at 35w it's similar performance to a 30 series at 80w seems utterly pointless for a gaming laptop. You want to push as many frames as possible. People arent paying for efficiency in the budget gaming lines, that's what the thin and lights are for. They want the most performance they can get for the price. An 80 watt 4050 would stomp all over a 35w 4050.
This post was edited on 1/9/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/9/23 at 11:54 am to hoojy
quote:
Debating on whether to get a new gen 3d chip or just get a 5600. Will wait until black friday to decide.
Depends heavily on what you play and the settings at which you play them.
But if you’re not budget sensitive, yolo
Posted on 1/9/23 at 12:24 pm to Joshjrn
I play PDX games almost exclusively. So, no AVX instructions are a non-starter. It's either 3(?)-12th generation Intel or recent AMD chips.
No 13th gen.
Edit: Actually they do have avx instructions, just seems no 512 it seems.
No 13th gen.
Edit: Actually they do have avx instructions, just seems no 512 it seems.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 5:43 am
Posted on 1/9/23 at 5:52 pm to hoojy
quote:
I play PDX games almost exclusively. So, no AVX instructions are a non-starter. It's either 3(?)-12th generation Intel or recent AMD chips.
No 13th gen.
I've had a very long day, but with that said, I have no idea what a PDX game is. Expound?
Posted on 1/10/23 at 12:20 am to Joshjrn
I believe that is Paradox Interactive.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:08 am to LSU Coyote
So I have a weird technical question.
Just built a new AM5 system as follows: MSI A PRO b650m motherboard, r5 7600x, 3070, windows 10 ect.
I play on mobile hotspot as this is the only way I can play FPS games with 'low' ping. My previous laptop I had, I got stable ping, no packet loss or anything.
Since building this new PC, I am getting a constant 'packet loss out' of around 10% while tethering hotspot with USB. When I turn on the wifi mobile hotspot, the packet loss out goes away.
I have done every single thing I can think of to fix this problem, so I am wondering if windows didn't download the latest driver that pops up under network adapters in device manager or something? When I connect the tether hotspot, the usb internet driver that pops up in network adapters is from 2009.
I am lost and there is really no help topics I can find online with someone with the same problem.
Edit: I also tried every single usb port, new cable, ect
Just built a new AM5 system as follows: MSI A PRO b650m motherboard, r5 7600x, 3070, windows 10 ect.
I play on mobile hotspot as this is the only way I can play FPS games with 'low' ping. My previous laptop I had, I got stable ping, no packet loss or anything.
Since building this new PC, I am getting a constant 'packet loss out' of around 10% while tethering hotspot with USB. When I turn on the wifi mobile hotspot, the packet loss out goes away.
I have done every single thing I can think of to fix this problem, so I am wondering if windows didn't download the latest driver that pops up under network adapters in device manager or something? When I connect the tether hotspot, the usb internet driver that pops up in network adapters is from 2009.
I am lost and there is really no help topics I can find online with someone with the same problem.
Edit: I also tried every single usb port, new cable, ect
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/10/23 at 1:02 pm to viv1d
quote:
So I have a weird technical question.
Just built a new AM5 system as follows: MSI A PRO b650m motherboard, r5 7600x, 3070, windows 10 ect.
I play on mobile hotspot as this is the only way I can play FPS games with 'low' ping. My previous laptop I had, I got stable ping, no packet loss or anything.
Since building this new PC, I am getting a constant 'packet loss out' of around 10% while tethering hotspot with USB. When I turn on the wifi mobile hotspot, the packet loss out goes away.
I have done every single thing I can think of to fix this problem, so I am wondering if windows didn't download the latest driver that pops up under network adapters in device manager or something? When I connect the tether hotspot, the usb internet driver that pops up in network adapters is from 2009.
I am lost and there is really no help topics I can find online with someone with the same problem.
Edit: I also tried every single usb port, new cable, ect
Never use Microsoft's chipset drivers. They are lowest common denomoniator garbage. Always go to your motherboard's website and update your drivers directly from there. For your board, it looks like this is where you should be, but obviously make sure to confirm: LINK
Make sure to update both your core chipset driver as well as the LAN drivers. If that doesn't fix your issue, come back.
ETA: If you have installed MSI Dragon Center or whatever they are calling it these days, make sure to go turn off *all* LAN management settings in there.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:58 pm to Joshjrn
Zen4 3D release officially Feb 14th.
Still no pricing.
ETA: nevermind AMD said it was an error.
Still no pricing.
ETA: nevermind AMD said it was an error.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 3:57 am
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:58 pm to UltimateHog
quote:
I believe that is Paradox Interactive.
Ya, Vicy 3 is AVX required instructions. EU5 will almost be likely as well.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:03 pm to hoojy
quote:
Ya, Vicy 3 is AVX required instructions. EU5 will almost be likely as well.
Honest question, from someone who has only played CKII: are any of those titles particularly hardware demanding? Not that you can run them smoothly on a potato, but whether it actually matters between modern hardware.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 12:14 pm to Joshjrn
I had to return the board. Got an Asus and was up and running in 1 hr no problems.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 2:46 pm to Joshjrn
quote:
Honest question, from someone who has only played CKII: are any of those titles particularly hardware demanding? Not that you can run them smoothly on a potato, but whether it actually matters between modern hardware.
The new AI changes several patches ago make the AI do way more calculations now. Wars in the late game go by slowly in a big war. EU4 doesn't have AVX instruction sets. I'd imagine EU5 will to help with that.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 4:37 pm to hoojy
GamersNexus posted his EVGA GPU Engineering team send off video and for anyone ITT that loves this stuff, it is a must watch 
LINK
I am definitely going to miss EVGA making GPUs. I had a 6600 GT 1GB AGP 8x card in my very first gaming computer - basically was responsible for so many of my childhood PC gaming memories.
LINK
I am definitely going to miss EVGA making GPUs. I had a 6600 GT 1GB AGP 8x card in my very first gaming computer - basically was responsible for so many of my childhood PC gaming memories.
Posted on 1/15/23 at 8:11 pm to boXerrumble
That was a lot of fun. Great video
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