re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

I'm getting the itch to do a custom loop again, but I know I'm going to hate dealing with it. I've been wanting to swap my case and cooler out for a while, but I don't want to lose my LSU etched side panel.

I've been needing to upgrade my motherboard to a z370/390, but I've been too lazy to even do that

Its easy just time consuming.

Also I'm buying a 34" Dell 1440p ultrawide tonight for no reason

Hope a 27" underneath the ultra wide doesn't look dumb

Hit up /r/hardwareswap on Reddit.

I think the 2060 super and 5700 xt are the top cards in that price range

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You really need a CPU upgrade, like now. An old i5 4 core/4 thread is going to bottleneck any new GPU a good bit. Games are using more and more threads these days.

I would say try and find a cheap 3770k to at least get you to 4 core/8 thread, however looking at ebay people want a stupid amount of money for those (like $100+) and that's not worth the upgrade. I wouldnt spend more than like $50 on an old CPU like that.

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Hold the phone.

You tell him to upgrade from a 3570K to a 3770K?

IPC is roughly the same and those logic cores won't do much.

Unless someone gives him a 3770K or he can catch one for under $50 bucks. IDK about this advice. It sounds like a waste of time searching. Just upgrade.

What say you?

That's why I said I would only do that if you get one for stupid cheap, like $50 or less, it at least gives a LITTLE more headroom with thread count, but again, people want stupid money for them which is why I said either get a stupid cheap card like a used 580 8Gb for $100 or get a new platform.

Getting a new platform is the most logical choice but obviously the most expensive. I just wouldnt invest more than about $100 in a card with a setup that old. I mean a $100 used 580 8 GB will be a huge upgrade from a 760 and hold serve for a little while at least.

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He'll be fine with the 3570k for now, especially if he OCs it some

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Eh, really depends on what he's playing, again, more and more newer games are moving beyond 4 threads these days. He might not see average FPS that's much worse than , but he could see some bad dips and drops compared to having something with more threads. It's really not just about average FPS but those 1% lows too. a 4 thread chip is going be taxed 100% across all threads a good bit in modern titles which could lead to those drops. Not as much with something with more threads necessarily. That's why I said 3770k if one is very cheap to get that headroom, but doesnt seem to exist...therefore a cheap GPU makes more sense if wanting to keep things cheap but an upgrade for now, otherwise he's due for a platform change.

A year or two ago 4 threads was plenty for any game really. It's becoming less and less a reality though now in terms of getting that smooth gaming experience still.

Go watch some benchmarks in newer games from 4 core/4 thread vs. 4 core/8 thread, there is a difference. You'll see the 4 core/4 thread CPU get taxed at 100% almost all the time and the 4 core/8 thread not necessarily.

This guy was comparing a 3570 vs. 3770 (and a useless i3) on a 1080 across a lot of games at 1080p (low detail I think on most).

A couple results:

Shadow of the Tomb Raider:
Both 3570 and 3700 had similar max frame rate, however the 3770 had 20% higher average FPS (98 vs. 82) and 30% better min FPS (61 vs. 47)

Battlefield V
3770 24% better max frame rate (113 vs. 91 FPS); 33% better average frame rate (92 vs. 69 FPS) and nearly 100% better min (74 vs. 38 FPS)

You'll also see that 3570 get taxed at 100% across all 4 threads often vs. the 3770 not necessarily being taxed 100% across all 8 threads. Again, some games can really benefit simply from extra threads despite similar core count.

In the end all kind of a moot point because a 3770k is ridiculously overpriced in open market right now, he really needs a new platform sooner than later.

Well damn, now y'all got me all confused. A $300 card should be good enough to keep if i plan to upgrade the motherboard and CPU down the road right? So i might as well spend the $300 card that will be up-to-date for a while, rather than buying a cheaper card now then another card in the future.

How much of an increase would i really get out of the $100 card?

Is this to do with clocks?

Yes windows background apps will get handled leaving room for physical cores to do work but that much of a gain?

The game engine aren't using those logic cores.

Is this the benchmark or game play?

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I've watched that video before. I still don't think it's good advice. Idt you will really see that gain. I went from a 3570k to 3770k back then, and the performance was there just because windows BS got handled with logic cores. You also have a larger cache.

But it's not the gpu really flooding, or game engine. It's just no resources left. Its not that the game is making use of more cores. It doesn't make use of logic cores.

Edt2: To bring it back to your point, the 3570K was a bottleneck even for SLi back in 2012-2013. My CPU didn't have enough resources left just with 2x670s. It's the reason I upgraded to a 3770k before going to a 690.

Think the main point I'm trying to make is it's not the engine or you requiring more threads. They won't really use them directly, it's all the other shtt happening that is making use of those resources.