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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:02 pm to
Posted by UltimateHog
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/23/19 at 9:02 pm to
Navi 10 3080 will compete with the 2070 for the rumored price of $249, I would guess $299. Should create a solid stir in the mid range given that the 2070 still costs $500.

I will probably grab one to tide me over until full Navi 20 early next year. Sounds like it may be a very strong card and on 7nm+ already.


TSMC is killing the game though, they are full steam ahead on 5nm.

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TSMC this week said that it has completed development of tools required for design of SoCs that are made using its 5 nm (CLN5FF, N5) fabrication technology. The company indicated that some of its alpha customers (which use pre-production tools and custom designs) had already started risk production of their chips using its N5 manufacturing process, which essentially means that the technology is on-track for high-volume manufacturing (HVM) in 2020.

TSMC’s N5 is the company’s 2nd generation fabrication technology that uses both deep ultraviolet (DUV) as well as extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography. The process can use EUVL on up to 14 layers (a tangible progress from N7+, which uses EUVL on four non-critical layers) to enable significant improvements in terms of density. TSMC says that when compared to N7 (1st Gen 7 nm, DUV-only), N5 technology will allow chip developers to shrink die area of their designs by ~45%, making transistor density ~1.8x higher. It will also increase frequency by 15% (at the same complexity and power) or reduce power consumption by 20% power reduction (at the same frequency and complexity).


Thought you may like the extra tech part, out of my understanding.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 9:06 pm
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 8:59 am to
An 8C/16T R5 3600X will probably be the sweet spot for gamers if they hit those clocks.

Just don't know if anything above 8 cores really makes sense if all you're doing is gaming (and really you can still get away with 4 cores right now).
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:04 am to
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Just don't know if anything above 8 cores really makes sense if all you're doing is gaming (and really you can still get away with 4 cores right now).
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:06 am to
Oh for sure, but for the prices yeah I'm gonna go with the 12/24 for sure.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56416 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:22 am to
Most engines don't even support 6C much less 8C. Hell Blizzard's engine still only supports single core. Then some devs turn off the compatability to insure stability if Windows mismanages resource budgets.

Single core IPC is still very important. It is even more game and engine specific now more than ever.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 9:24 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:24 am to
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Single core IPC is still very important.


Yea if AMDs 3xxx 8c, 12c, etc can surpass Intel in single core IPC then I'll make the swap. Until then I'm still sticking to Intel
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:32 am to
My same issue.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69399 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:33 am to
Yeah, that's why I had no interest in the 9900K especially at over $500.

But for $329 I'll go 12/24 just for the price level and tech boner.

Looks like I can still get $250 for my delidded 8700K too.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 9:37 am
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 9:37 am to
I'm really pissed about the 9900K. I don't mind spending the money. I've been on the Enthusiast series for years.

But $150 bones for just HT and same number of lanes.

Fckk you Intel.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:03 am to
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Looks like I can still get $250 for my delidded 8700K too.


Or give me a TD discount so I can swap my 8500 out
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54363 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:21 am to
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I'm really pissed about the 9900K. I don't mind spending the money. I've been on the Enthusiast series for years.

But $150 bones for just HT and same number of lanes.

Fckk you Intel.


Most benchmarks have the 9700k matching the 9900k anyway. If you're really going for the best intel gaming CPU, why get the 9900k over the 9700k?
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56416 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 12:06 pm to
It will.

But I do like those extra threads in some task. (Outside gaming obviously) Not really the point.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
54363 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 1:43 pm to
Threads would be useful depending on your application/workload.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56416 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:04 pm to
Yes, why I said what I said.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69399 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:52 pm to
9700K doesn't have hyperthreading, I could never buy that at over $400.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:33 pm to
The side panel etching turned out pretty good

Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

an still get $250 for my delidded 8700K too.


really? I paid 305 for mine. I wonder if the new Ryzens will outperform those.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22542 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:42 pm to
This awesome!

Whenever I get my 3D printer, apparently you can convert it to an etcher as well.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56416 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:49 pm to
Dude I love it.

Very legit!
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69399 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:30 pm to
Lost my pup today to his heart murmur after 6 years.
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