re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

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Right, I mean that if they have another case where the actual IPC improvement is next to none, now that there is competition, not good.

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But it is like this for both parties.

Intel did a good move going to faster L2 cache. We thought we hit the limit in 2010 but moved to FINFET.

No new tech that we know of has come out. Besides going to 7nm and giving us more space for extra cores. So no IPC improvements but improvements in multicore performance per chip. Now the next step is to move DDR to the chip but double data rate memory has a slew of problems I don’t understand with getting it on the chip. Reason you see HBM in GPUs on a chip. (Yes GDDR and DDR are the same thing, just GDDR is specialized for FP)

We won’t see significant improvements from both parties for at less another 2-3 generations.

I understand and got it.

We haven't had really improvement since FINFET + 32nm on Sandy Bridge.

I got it, believe me. It has been this way. The only improvements with CPUs have been coming on the mobile side with power consumption.

But motherboards die. Those ppl will have to move to another platform. Be it AMD or Intel. One thing Intel does have over Intel is a higher R&D budget. They will keep pushing out new improvements year by year, even if 5% while AMD has already stated that Ryzen is a 4yr platform with improvements only coming with moving to 7nm.

Edt: Also ppl do not need to upgrade CPUs as much as you think. This is true for graphics but not CPUs. There is no need to really. They will still get upgrades from ppl needing/wanting those extra cores for non-gaming tasks and/or those just getting into the hobby. They don't rely on a flood of ppl upgrading every cycle.

Its not that much doom as you might think.

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If they don't sell they can push out as many as they want it won't matter much.

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They don't count on floods of users upgrading every cycle. The GPU market does but not so much CPU makers.

You will still get upgrades, esp with more cores being seen on the platform. Ppl have been screaming for this as you know for quite some time. So IPC increases don't matter that much, and we won't see them until some new tech is invented for a couple generations.

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Ryzen has a 14nm+ improvement coming next year followed by Ryzen 2 on 7nm in 2019.

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That is just going to 7nm.

More cores.. the architecture isn't changing. That doesn't get you much.

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Right you just said nothing coming for Ryzen until 7nm in 2019 but I was correcting you because there is a 14nm+ refinement coming next year for Ryzen.

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Yeah, driving down i10 brother. Sorry.

They should get that but the shtt is touchy when making a process node smaller. Smaller pkg needs less power, cool. But the compact node has another compact node right next to heat so you end up producing the same amount of heat but with less surface area to disperse heat.

It is a super fine line we have been fighting but would be awesome to see Ryzen hit 4.5GHz out the box for stock. It needs to do that, now more than ever until games utilize more than 4 cores better.

I have always been a sucker for APUs. The dream of having a tiny iTX box which doesn't need a dGPU was always a tasty thought. I've purchased nearly every APU flagship chip since Llano on socket FM1.

The performance wont get you playing AAA titles @ 1080 on Ultra settings but it is great for emulators. You can internal render at 8K and display at 4K for really nice looking games. Makes playing all the old Mario Parties that much better.

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AMD’s Raven Ridge APUs are expected to arrive in few months. No one really knows when exactly and what are the specs of the new series, but thanks to a tip, we have a possible listing of the first Ryzen 2000 series processor.

The listing reveals that Ryzen 5 2500U comes with integrated Radeon Vega graphics. The APU has 4 cores and 8 threads. This is most likely a mobile processor with integrated graphics, as suggested by the postfix U, similar to Intel’s nomenclature.

As for the graphics performance, well it’s not really good, but it might just be a multimedia-oriented processor

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VideoCardz - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U APU spotted

Well Coffee Lake seems meh. Top end 6 core offering max OC 4GHz, that is the same as Ryzen. shite maybe I should just convert to my microATX build and use a Ryzen 5 1600.

Maybe if Ryzen paired with Vega does in fact have benefits which they said it would, that will give me a reason to swap other than just for fun.

In case anyone is interested and hasn't looked at the Destiny 2 Beta thread....

PC Beta kicks off on Aug, 28th for pre-orders, 29th for everyone else and will run until the 31st.

Min Specs.

CPU - Intel - Core i3-3250 / AMD - FX-4350
GPU - Nvidia - GeForce GTX 660 2GB / AMD - Radeon HD 7850 2GB
RAM - 6GB

Recommended Spec

CPU - Intel - Core i5-2400 / AMD - Ryzen R5 1600X
GPU - Nvidia - GeForce GTX 970 / AMD - Radeon R9 390
RAM - 8GB

What was running at all events @ 4k 60fps

CPU - Intel i7 7700K
GPU - nVidia GTX 1080ti
RAM - amount wasn't listed (probably 8GB?)

Bungie even went so far as to put out a list of parts available now for people looking to upgrade to hit each spec.

Recommended

CPU - Intel Core i5-7400
GPU - Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB

Minimum

CPU - Intel Pentium G4560
GPU - Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 2GB

Went to purchase a Ryzen 3 1300X @ $129 and ASRock iTX MOBO @ $109.

Well.. not paying for the price of DDR4. MFer.

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Yeah, I'm glad I didn't go with rigid tubing. You can bend the stuff really carefully but it seems most people stick with straight runs and use angled fittings. That's when it gets really expensive.

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Even straight runs are a pain.

Those fittings aren't cheap. Each 90 + 2xconnectors is about 25 bucks.