re: Official League of Legends Thread

I mean, I get that Optic has a history in NA, but Envy is huge in the CS scene and other games. They aren't an unknown player here.

We know Envy, Dig, and P1 are all out. Optic and Lacob are in. So there is at least one more new team.

Flyquest, EF, and TL are the unknowns, since I think TSM, C9, CLG, and IMT are all pretty safe.

I think FQ and EF survive. TL seems like a total crapshoot

TL is a lock, they're that 4th team of the top 4 big orgs TSM C9 CLG and TL.

About money, fans, org success across eSports. TL is way too big with too much money and history.

Just won DOTA, #1 ranked NA CSGO team, top tier owners, strong fan base.

DIG lost almost everyone when they disappeared for a year. That was their kill shot. No coming back from that.

Yeah I watch quite a bit of CSGO, TL has the 2 best young players in NA, Twistzz and EliGE. They're set for quite awhile as the top NA team. Same with their DOTA team, good chance to repeat.

TL's owner was also really smart publicly laying out their business plan that got a lot of traction and positivity.

They are pioneering the change to practice facilities instead of team houses that everyone else is now starting to do. LINK

And then you have content as another big factor, and TL owns 1UP Studios that produces probably the top content in eSports. Breaking Point, America's Team for CSGO, etc.

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TL has the 2 best young players in NA, Twistzz and EliGE. They're set for quite awhile as the top NA team.

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I'm going to stop you there. This is highly debatable. TL is in the top 2 for North America, saying they are #1 is debatable considering that C9 is coming off a semifinal berth in E League premier and Liquid didn't even make it out of groups.

I will agree that Elige is one of the best players in NA, however you can't just leave out Stewie and Autimatic. Twistzz still has a lot to prove on the main stages. I don't think he has made it to the top tier of NA just yet.

EF was outfront of them on practice facilities, which combined with Delta Fox makes me think they make it through.

Yea they 2-0'd them online. You're talking about a C9 roster that has only been together 2 months. The ESL NY event both C9 and Liquid were blitzed by Faze. Had C9 been on the other side of the bracket, I have no doubt they would have been in the finals. Liquid's roster has been together a lot longer than C9 has.

It is certainly debatable, Liquid is not just #1 in NA. HLTV has C9 ranked above Liquid presently.

Also, Liquid lost to SK in a bo3 at EL Premier. Liquid didn't win one match at EL. C9 won its group and advanced to the semifinals.

C9 is ranked higher than TL right now. TL does not have a better roster than the current C9 roster.

Ska > JDM - JDM has actually been one of the worst players for Liquid, but he has played better more recently especially at ESL NY. However, Ska has been consistently the best awper in NA for awhile now.

Stewie2k = Elige - these are the 2 best players in NA at the moment.

Autimatic > Nitro - it isn't even that close. Nitro's performance lately has not been good.

Twistzz > Rush - this is actually closer than I thought. I still want to see Twistzz perform on some bigger stages, he certainly has the talent though.

Tarik > Stan - while I think Stan is the better IGL, Tarik is the better fragger.

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are/were higher ranked

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Based on what? Gosugamers has C9 8th in the World and TL 11th. Even without Shroud and n0thing I still think C9 beats TL more than vice-versa. It's definitely not as solid as it used to be, though.