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Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by Greace
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:29 pm to
I thought they changed how that works and any team that uses the spot must be comprised of atleast 3 members of the original team? I could be completely wrong get but I thought they did away with spot selling for lcs
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:31 pm to
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I could be completely wrong get but I thought they did away with spot selling for lcs


That seems like a pretty terrible formula.

You bust your arse as a challenger team, only to come in second and watch potential players that didn't make as far as you did get into LCS because of $$.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:20 pm to
Don't believe so, TiP is currently selling their LCS spot and have a buyer per reports.
Posted by 420centraltime
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 7:37 pm to
40 min game and Leblanc mid only does 16k damage
Posted by Greace
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 8:37 pm to
Apparently if you buy the team you have to field 3 of the original 5 but if you buy the spot you can do whatever you want. Not really sure why that rule doesn't apply to the spot as well
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 8:43 pm to
Also sounds like Santorin is the new NRG jungler.

Could also be Diamondprox though, he left Gambit and is heading to NA.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:27 pm to
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Apparently if you buy the team you have to field 3 of the original 5 but if you buy the spot you can do whatever you want. Not really sure why that rule doesn't apply to the spot as well



Two options, one is just loophole in the rules they didn't quite think about (though I believe Riot reserves the right to change the rules at any time). Second, and possibly in combination with the first is that they saw an incentive in allowing more competition for roster spots.

NALCS likely saw a pretty big up-tick in excitement (and maybe views) due to much more competitive rosters. You wouldn't have seen Immortals or NRG under a different rule system.
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:29 pm to
A couple of C9 fanboys jumped down my throat on reddit for implying that C9 is as much (or more) concerned with turning a profit on the LCS spot bubble than developing talent.

They are fielding a roster that is better than 3 or 4 LCS teams (most likely) with Balls/Rush/Hai/Altec/Lemon. I mean sure they may bring on some alternates and run them out a bit (especially to keep Balls/Rush available for worlds), but this seems like a pretty blatant cash grab.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:34 pm to
I'm not a C9 fan by any stretch but idk, too many factors. That LCS roster is probably better than last splits roster, Rush was a rather big disappointment and Balls has always been their worst player and at times one of the worst players in the LCS.

I'd probably value Impact over Rush and demoting Balls too. I really have no clue how good Meteos is, and without Hai C9 has been a pretty poor. Of course FuFu is a good support, just isn't a shotcaller, but they said he spent all split being mentored by Hai so who knows.

Whether it is or isn't a cash grab, having better competition in Challenger is good for NA development.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:41 pm to
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Whether it is or isn't a cash grab, having better competition in Challenger is good for NA development.


Not if C9 sell the spot and buy their way back into the Spring Challenger scene with a similar team. Doing that will devalue the spot though (since you can't necessarily secure it), but still it may only be a matter of time before more orgs are using retired players to try to create money from nothing in the Challenger Scene. That would be quite bad for LoL's development.

I'm not sure the roster is really upgraded, but that really depends on BunnyFuFu. Impact didn't look great last split (with the understanding his jungler was shite and he played a bunch of off-meta champs). Still I'm not sure he is some crazy upgrade over Balls. Meteos is not an upgrade of Rush (the best outcome from this could be Rush just expanding his champ pool for a split without the pressure to perform as highly). Hai to BunnyFuFu has to be considered a downgrade until C9 looks at least mildly competent without Hai.

Their road to Worlds is quite narrow. The early loss puts them between a rock and a hard place on points. So they most likely have to win the split or win the gauntlet. Given you have to contend with Immortals, CLG, TSM, and Liquid....... shits tough man.

Either way SKT look pretty solid to roll over Worlds again.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:49 pm to
Eh, I like it for the Challenger scene, those guys need to face better players and if playing multi-split pros retired or not, is how they do it then so be it. As currently and previously constructed NA Challenger is a bunch of scrubs beating up on even bigger scrubs, the top scrub getting to LCS for a split, and getting absolutely destroyed and relegated back down in an endless cycle of trash teams up and down. That helps no one, LCS or CS. Nor does it help develop the younger players that are potentially future stars like Contractz who is already considerably better than 99% of the junglers he faces in CS, same for any top end young player. CS needs quality competition and if it's not there, by all means bring in whoever you can until NA develops more on it's own.

From my understanding, Rush gets NA status next year and will no longer be an import, so they want him to spend a split in CS expanding champ pool for next year. C9 may have given up on this season after that 1st split, they weren't winning Summer, and the odds of another Guantlet run are very slim.

2017 C9 will have
Impact
Rush
Jensen
Sneaky
Bunny/Hai


That is very good.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 10:51 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 10:55 pm to
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That helps no one, LCS or CS. Nor does it help develop the younger players that are potentially future stars like Contractz who is already considerably better than 99% of the junglers he faces in CS


To be fair part of that is the remaining hard-on for importing players. NA is in a weird place where the local talent isn't enough to support 10 teams, but the Imported talent needed to keep the NALCS from being a joke makes a big barrier to entry for a lot of players.

All I'm saying is that life isn't going to get better for these guys if teams of Hai/Lemon/Balls (plus whoever) and Dyrus/OddOne (whoever) start treating the Challenger scene as a Senior LCS. Then again, they will probably get a lot more viewers.

Rush will get NA status for the Spring 2017 split. So they can field that lineup, which looks quite strong unless something goes wrong in the interim. That and maybe the champion pool thing are pretty strong incentives to have Rush take a split off. The cash is I think them just realizing a huge untapped resource.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 1:18 am to
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Riot Socrates: "Just to confirm, we are working on an early surrender to better deal with games that start with an AFK, but it won't be in patch 6.9."
Posted by Drewbie
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 1:21 am to
As long as it's ONLY for games that start with an afk, I'm down. Bronze/Silver scrubs don't need another avenue to prematurely give up on winnable games.
Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:18 am to
I can't remember the last time I had a game that started with an afk. However I can remember last night when our Draven died once an afk'd.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:34 am to
Sometimes I wish people would afk.

Had a mid Azir last night that would roam bot to gank when we had a full wave approaching tower and a blitz with no mana.

Gets mad we didn't initiate (pinged him off) and proceeds to troll the rest of the game with his ult spamming "gg" in the chat. Probably would have been better off had he quit.

People in this game are retarded
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69449 posts
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:26 pm to
NRG officially announce Quas, Santorin, and KiwiKid.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 12:25 am to
I'm bout done with ranked for this season. For every game you get stable players, the next 3-4 have one or multiple players that tilt and go full on toxic at 5 minutes because someone died early.

Try to be positive and get everyone the same page...get raged at and shite talked for 25 minutes.

So sick of this game's community. The game just isn't fun anymore.



Posted by Mear
Member since Oct 2010
4843 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 7:54 am to
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So sick of this game's community. The game just isn't fun anymore.


then stop playing
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 4/27/16 at 9:06 am to
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then stop playing


I'm getting there. Keep telling myself to be positive and stick through it, but it's not getting any better in my games.

I don't care about losing, but it's gotten to the point where at least 2-3 games a day are wasted because tilt and toxicity ensue from the get go.

I may take a break and try out some other games.
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