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re: Official League of Legends Thread
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:50 pm to UltimateHog
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:50 pm to UltimateHog
So then it just comes back to Bjerg playing poorly all split long, as virtually everyone has said.
Bottom of the League damage stats, with average CS stats is pretty damn bad overall for the top carry position in the game.
Luckily for TSM, despite Bjerg losing hard in CS both games this weekend, they were able to salvage a game and avoid back to back 0-2's.
Bottom of the League damage stats, with average CS stats is pretty damn bad overall for the top carry position in the game.
Luckily for TSM, despite Bjerg losing hard in CS both games this weekend, they were able to salvage a game and avoid back to back 0-2's.
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Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:52 pm to UltimateHog
Nobody is talking about damage numbers. You said he sucks at CSing.
So top 3 in CS for midlaners is very poor?
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It has been this split, his CS has been very poor.
So top 3 in CS for midlaners is very poor?
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:53 pm to Greace
4th is League average, mid lane is extremely weak in NA and is a meme, so yeah I'd still say quite poor.
A rookie mid season pickup is outfarming him.
A rookie mid season pickup is outfarming him.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:55 pm to UltimateHog
Thanks for proving my point. Even with the evidence pointing that you are wrong you still can't see that you are wrong. You aren't even worth talking to about the game.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:56 pm to Greace
I was not wrong, he is 4th in CSPM not including today, so when it updates later if Huhi outfarmed him today he is 5th. League average out of 10 starters.
For the almighty Bjerg?! Yep, that is poor.
So I'm right.
For the almighty Bjerg?! Yep, that is poor.
So I'm right.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 6:58 pm to Greace
Good, get the frick out of the thread then. One less TSM homer is a good thing.
Excuse after excuse after excuse for a 7th place team with no shot at Worlds is far far worse, just the truth.
Bye.
Excuse after excuse after excuse for a 7th place team with no shot at Worlds is far far worse, just the truth.
Bye.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:19 pm to UltimateHog
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Stomped out in lane
I still don't get this. By the numbers, how do you classify it as a "stomp"?
10/cs per min, no deaths, roamed and got 2 kills & 2 assists around the 20 min mark. Maybe I'm arguing semantics here, but how is that getting stomped? Does losing the cs war during laning phase mean you got owned somehow?
If he went 0/2/0 and with terrible CS, then I'd agree, but as I've stated in two previous posts, I feel like you're on this particular point.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:35 pm to dcrews
Down 20 cs at 15 and first tower both were 1/0.
The roam at 20 wasn't good either, they lost mid tier 2 and top tier 1 for it.
The roam at 20 wasn't good either, they lost mid tier 2 and top tier 1 for it.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:40 pm to UltimateHog
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they lost mid tier 2 and top tier 1 for it.
I expect to lose towers as a heavy roaming mid assassin against a solid wave clear mid like Ori (whose passive also gives bonus AD on basic attacks).
Losing the top tower is a poor macro call. Can't put that as a lane loss for the mid laner.
I'm not saying Bjerg is some God mid-laner or that most of your other points aren't valid, but I can't say he got "stomped" considering the matchup and his champion's win condition.
His objective is to roam and pressure other lanes. He did this, then proceeded to snoball from it. Seems to me he/they played it well.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 8:43 pm to dcrews
You just have a different definition of losing lane.
Like I said earlier, if you get down 20+ cs early in lane, and lose first tower, you will lose 9 times out of 10 against a decent team.
First tower is too valuable in pro play, especially if it is mid to open up the rest of the map.
Luckily for TSM, Clutch lost the 50/50 baron or they lose.
Like I said earlier, if you get down 20+ cs early in lane, and lose first tower, you will lose 9 times out of 10 against a decent team.
First tower is too valuable in pro play, especially if it is mid to open up the rest of the map.
Luckily for TSM, Clutch lost the 50/50 baron or they lose.
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:09 pm to UltimateHog
Now if you want a bigger breakdown I can provide that a bit.
Here at 14:30 they sent 4 bot on a roam and did not convert it. They lost another full wave crashing mid taking the turret down to about 2 hits.
Moments later they try and force a play mid but instead trade 1 for 1, and end up losing first tower mid for it.
As a result they are now behind 1.5K gold at 15 minutes with mid tower down and the map opened up for CG. They use that moments later to take Rift Herald.
Here at 14:30 they sent 4 bot on a roam and did not convert it. They lost another full wave crashing mid taking the turret down to about 2 hits.
Moments later they try and force a play mid but instead trade 1 for 1, and end up losing first tower mid for it.
As a result they are now behind 1.5K gold at 15 minutes with mid tower down and the map opened up for CG. They use that moments later to take Rift Herald.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:13 pm to UltimateHog
Earlier you see Febiven ult Bjerg and continue to play dominant in lane, forcing him to back losing another wave and pressure.
Now at this moment the caster tells you what you need to know, "by shoving it in and preventing Bjerg from being able to roam like he wants, this allows the other lanes to play up and more aggressive".
Moments later Rumble ults and although they can't convert it into a kill top, the pressure has allowed Solo, the worst top laner in NA, to open up a double digit cs lead at 10 minutes over Hauntzer.
If you take this early game, against any top 4 or so team right now, TSM loses from this alone. Sounds harsh or extreme but in most cases this is true.
Now at this moment the caster tells you what you need to know, "by shoving it in and preventing Bjerg from being able to roam like he wants, this allows the other lanes to play up and more aggressive".
Moments later Rumble ults and although they can't convert it into a kill top, the pressure has allowed Solo, the worst top laner in NA, to open up a double digit cs lead at 10 minutes over Hauntzer.
If you take this early game, against any top 4 or so team right now, TSM loses from this alone. Sounds harsh or extreme but in most cases this is true.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 7/22/18 at 9:25 pm to UltimateHog
This is why Azael is my favorite caster, he knows and explains the game so damn well.
LINK
Here is the clip with his comment about mid lane at 18 minutes.
"TSM trying to collapse on Febiven, they know that Febiven is winning this 1v1 pretty heavily straight up". Now that's not saying "stomp", but for a caster that is pretty strong words on how a 1v1 matchup is going almost 20 minutes into the game and laning phase being over.
LINK
Here is the clip with his comment about mid lane at 18 minutes.
"TSM trying to collapse on Febiven, they know that Febiven is winning this 1v1 pretty heavily straight up". Now that's not saying "stomp", but for a caster that is pretty strong words on how a 1v1 matchup is going almost 20 minutes into the game and laning phase being over.
This post was edited on 7/22/18 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 7/24/18 at 11:03 pm to UltimateHog
Echo Fox has acquired Smoothie from Cloud 9.
They also released Altec, Adrian, and Fenix.
Some guy named "Lost" is being promoted to their starting adc.
Roster lock was at 8pm.
Also, Marc is teasing a League MMO.
They also released Altec, Adrian, and Fenix.
Some guy named "Lost" is being promoted to their starting adc.
Roster lock was at 8pm.
Also, Marc is teasing a League MMO.
This post was edited on 7/24/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 7:24 am to UltimateHog
I’ll chat with you UH.
Tsm fanboys hiding away while their team sucks?
I honestly haven’t even seen the standings this season. Just see how quiet it is.
Tsm fanboys hiding away while their team sucks?
I honestly haven’t even seen the standings this season. Just see how quiet it is.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:39 am to Mahootney
TSM certainly hasn’t been great, but they are one game out of a tie for fourth. Certainly the Zven/Mithy experiment has been underwhelming.
Worlds could actually be interesting this year. There won’t be as heavy of a favorite as most years.
Worlds could actually be interesting this year. There won’t be as heavy of a favorite as most years.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/7/18 at 9:08 am to Mahootney
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Tsm fanboys hiding away while their team sucks?
I want to talk about the game in a thread dedicated to the game. Getting trolled about TSM isn't what I call discussing the game.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:06 pm to SBvital
I don’t think discussing TSM’s disappointing split is a bad thing, but when it is just 10 posts in a row of UH jerking himself off about TSM’s first mediocre split in a couple of years it is just tiresome.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:13 pm to CorporateTiger
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I don’t think discussing TSM’s disappointing split is a bad thing
Not at all, it's an interesting topic and I like discussing it.
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but when it is just 10 posts in a row of UH jerking himself off about TSM’s first mediocre split in a couple of years it is just tiresome.
That's my point.
And it's their second split struggling. Prepare to be corrected with the quickness.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:25 pm to SBvital
They finished third last split. Not a great showing in play-offs, but I don’t think last split was too bad.
This split has seemed much more..... flat
This split has seemed much more..... flat
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