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re: Madden 17
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:58 pm to Lsuchs
Posted on 8/23/16 at 8:58 pm to Lsuchs
wait, first you say
then, you say
what defense do you watch that backs the DE off the line of scrimmage 2 yards every play? Sounds like you're mad they eliminated your cheese platter
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I play my DE 2 yards off the line off scrimmage
then, you say
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It's just not football
what defense do you watch that backs the DE off the line of scrimmage 2 yards every play? Sounds like you're mad they eliminated your cheese platter
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Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:15 pm to Mr. Hangover
Kinda like how they took out nano blitzes this year. Get mad at the people who abused them. Dropping your DE instead of changing his assignment is on you.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:18 pm to Mr. Hangover
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Sounds like you're mad they eliminated your cheese platter
I manually play my DE (one of 4 Dlineman) off the line off scrimmage.
It simply turns it into a 3 man line. It is legal in football to do this any time from any formation. I usually still rush just from a few yards back. I do this to read the play before engaging the blocker.
Many NFL and college teams do this. You either rush or drop from the stand up position not directly over the OT.
In madden 17 if the formation has that 4th edge rusher labeled as a DE not an OLB you cannot physically adjust to move him off the line. If he is edge rushing but labeled an OLB you have freedom to position yourself wherever. If i want to make my 4-2-5 nickel a 3-3-5 by standing up my DE why can't I?
Like I said it's similar to free lancing while playing safety and manually moving up in the box incase it's a run, even though you are responsible for a deep half. Or sensing a screen and manually pulling crashing your safety away from his assignment during the snap. It's just moving your DE a step back incase it's a screen or sweep
its just unnecessary and ridiculous the game doesn't allow you to manually make a legal football adjustment on the fly. Especially when every madden and NCAA prior allowed you to. They had to specifically go out of their way to program it out.
And if you think it's cheap to back up an end then run at him. If you are down big and have to pass and don't like someone having the ability to drop a guy in coverage that isn't in the designed play tough luck it's in no way illegal.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:38 pm to Lsuchs
You can just drop him into a zone then. That's what I did in previous versions. Once I learned to play the LB, you can EASILY sniff out screens and swing passes too. Just play a 3-4 and be an OLB if it's that big of a deal for you.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:44 pm to theducks
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Just play a 3-4 and be an OLB if it's that big of a deal for you.
There it is. Exactly what I was coming to say.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 9:54 pm to theducks
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You can just drop him into a zone then. That's what I did in previous versions. Once I learned to play the LB, you can EASILY sniff out screens and swing passes too. Just play a 3-4 and be an OLB if it's that big of a deal for you.
I hear you, it is just not quite the same and messes up my entire strategy which has worked well for me previous years.
A 3-4 you are dedicating 7 front 7 guys instead of 6 in base nickel. And in a 3-3-5 nickel you only have the freedom to move with that 4th rusher on one side rather than both (or you will mess up the coverage called unless both Olbs are rushing forcing you to bring 5)
I would now have to (after all other adjustments) press 4 buttons just to allow a player on my front to not be immediately swallowed by the blocker when I sense something coming instead of simply backing up a step.
That is if I have the players for whichever team I'm usings names memorized as that's the way to select an adjustment. Not to mention you still have to start on the LOS.
It might not affect a lot of people but this is a huge negative in the game for me, and completely unnecessary while also contrary to actual football. How many time have you seen a LB notice something and run up and slap an end on the arse and he stands up and backs up a step?
I would have to play a 2-4-5 (which doesn't exist) instead of 4-2-5 to have the freedom to stand up either end at all, and to even have them not engage the blocker manually (drop) it takes pressing 4 buttons now.
The whole point of manually controlling a player is to use him freely, you take time to press button combos making adjustments for players you aren't controlling
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:21 pm to Lsuchs
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Many NFL and college teams do this.
No
No college or NFL team consistently plays their DE two yards off the line of scrimmage, that's just asinine
FWIW I have no problem with people manually moving people in the game presnap.. But to say that it happens IRL is just not true
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:36 pm to Lsuchs
Frick this sucks. I love using Vernon Oliver or JPP to stand them up and have the option of playing the pass or rushing
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:41 pm to Mr. Hangover
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No college or NFL team consistently plays their DE two yards off the line of scrimmage, that's just asinine
They do. Teams that consistently do this just label their DEs OLBs. Arden Key was a DE last year and will be an OLB this year. Same with bower.
We stood both of them up at times even after being in the down position at first. This year I'm sure theyll be up more often because of the scheme change.
My entire point is it's ridiculous that based on what madden 17 defines the position as on that play (DE or OLB) you cannot manually control your player the same way, such as backing him off the line. This has never been an issue before.
The same plays are not available in 2-3-6 Dime as 4-1-6 Dime. So I can't run the plays I want bc I can't user control my edge rusher just bc of the package name.
It is not illegal to do, and the fact that you can't affects my game. I basically run a 3 man front out of a formation with 4 down lineman. I do this so if I want to leave it alone I have a 4 man front, and the play selection is better out of that formation IMO.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:46 pm to Lsuchs
Well you're just going to have to adjust your strategy to the rules. Just like in real football
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:51 pm to Weagle25
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Well you're just going to have to adjust your strategy to the rules. Just like in real football
I'm not arguing that. But these are not rules in football, and this is a football game. That is why i am bringing it up
If they needlessly affected the ability to maneuver at whatever position you manually control on defense simply based on the name of a formation I'm sure it would screw up your game too.
An analogy would be any player labeled a safety in a formation can't be brought within 12 yards of the LOS pre play. You would then have to find a formation with the two deep DBs labeled as corners just to have free range of movement. Even though its the same two players back there still playing the same coverage either way, and the formation you are forced to choose just to have that free range of motion has limited plays
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 10:59 pm to Lionnation1993
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Frick this sucks. I love using Vernon Oliver or JPP to stand them up and have the option of playing the pass or rushing
^ This (unless sarcasm)
I'm sure there are plenty of other people out there this messes up like us.
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:03 pm to Lsuchs
Man you are way too upset about this. I won't be able to play until tonight but if it does let you play your DE in a zone, all of this is unneeded and probably does a lot more of good for the game than bad.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:09 pm to theducks
Well it just completely removed a lot of user control in the game for no reason.
But yes you can take your time to call an individual audible to make a DE have a zone responsibility. You cannot move him from his spot on the front however. So quick reactions are no longer possible.
For instance: if I see a full back go in motion to the strong side and I realize a pitch is coming I cannot run my DE over to where that pitch will go. I cannot even back him up at the snap (immediately swallowed by Oline) unless I have time to hit the 4 button combo to put him in a QB spy. Even then I'll be out of position at the snap.
I could switch to a LB and completely bust his coverage running out there but then when it's not a pitch I'm screwed.
If you played primarily as DE for years you would realize how much it affects you. And it's a pointless feature to restrict their movement like this
But yes you can take your time to call an individual audible to make a DE have a zone responsibility. You cannot move him from his spot on the front however. So quick reactions are no longer possible.
For instance: if I see a full back go in motion to the strong side and I realize a pitch is coming I cannot run my DE over to where that pitch will go. I cannot even back him up at the snap (immediately swallowed by Oline) unless I have time to hit the 4 button combo to put him in a QB spy. Even then I'll be out of position at the snap.
I could switch to a LB and completely bust his coverage running out there but then when it's not a pitch I'm screwed.
If you played primarily as DE for years you would realize how much it affects you. And it's a pointless feature to restrict their movement like this
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:14 pm to Lsuchs
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if I see a full back go in motion to the strong side and I realize a pitch is coming I cannot run my DE over to where that pitch will go
Lol what happened to real football?
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:19 pm to Lsuchs
Basically all this comes down to is a bunch of people that don't play primarily as a DE don't care that that style of play has been completely ruined. And that DEs have no pre snap range of motion.
Just as I wouldn't care if your safeties or linebackers you play with were stuck in their pre snap positions after years of you diagnosing plays and putting yourself in the best position before the snap.
Just as I wouldn't care if your safeties or linebackers you play with were stuck in their pre snap positions after years of you diagnosing plays and putting yourself in the best position before the snap.
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:22 pm to Weagle25
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Lol what happened to real football?
That specific instance is not the common practice in real football, is it illegal though?
And just bc your player is labeled an "end" but you use him manually like a LB it isn't that strange to get wide on an obvious pitch.
It's essentially just playing the nickel or dime formation like a 3 man front instead of 4 bc you like the coverage option in that formation better than others.
Just like going for it on 4 and 3 or less inside the 50 every series isn't common practice on any level of football but is common online. Should you not be allowed to go for it on 4th until the 4th quarter now?
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:25 pm to Lsuchs
quote:good. Sounds cheesy as frick and I hate ppl that play like you.
Lsuchs
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:28 pm to Lsuchs
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Basically all this comes down to is a bunch of people that don't play primarily as a DE don't care that that style of play has been completely ruined. And that DEs have no pre snap range of motion.
I play primarily as a DE unless I'm being ineffective
Posted on 8/23/16 at 11:29 pm to Lsuchs
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That specific instance is not the common practice in real football, is it illegal though?
This is why no one cares about your complaint.
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Just like going for it on 4 and 3 or less inside the 50 every series isn't common practice on any level of football but is common online
Also frowned upon
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Should you not be allowed to go for it on 4th until the 4th quarter now?
A lot of leagues have some sort of rule of when you can go for it
Don't claim the games ruined because "it's not real football" and then complain it won't let you do something that doesn't happen in football
This post was edited on 8/23/16 at 11:32 pm
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