re: Lost Ark

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Bro you tried to present one of the most blatantly p2w games to come out in a while as not so.

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No I didnt' I compared it to other games you spend real money on to cut corners. I said they were the same in my view.

I said I viewed them all as paying for convince.

At the end of the day it's about the companies valuing time put into the game. If the ability to skip content is available for a price people will take it and it breaks the game to a degree.

It has been a slippery slope that has changed the focus of gaming companies from making a fun game to seeing how much money they can get out of you.

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If the ability to skip content is available for a price people will take it and it breaks the game to a degree.

It has been a slippery slope that has changed the focus of gaming companies from making a fun game to seeing how much money they can get out of you.

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Yep. It has also incentivized companies to make the leveling process as annoying and grindy as possible so people will be more inclined to spend money to skip it.

But don't worry it's not p2w so it's fine. We just mindlessly consoom.

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Well wow or FF isn’t going to die because of these types of players.

In fact...out of those thousands of hours I have put into FF....I doubt I can count on two hands all the times this has been an issue.

I bought a lvl boost on an alt toon for a class I had no idea about.

The first thing I did was study my actions and tested out rotations. Ran low lvl content to get the feel of the class.

Not a problem.

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You also will not be doing any current high level content. You can only skip to the latest expansion starts. You still will have 10 levels and gear score limits before you can.

Part of me understands the argument against it but it would be extremely bad business for them to lock their new expansions behind thousands of hours of content. They have to sell the expansion. And for the game to be healthy they need new players to play the expansion.

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At the end of the day it's about the companies valuing time put into the game. If the ability to skip content is available for a price people will take it and it breaks the game to a degree.

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Have you played FF?

They quite value your time.

And of course some people will pay to skip. Doesn’t mean it will ruin the game. Because it hasn’t and it likely won’t.

If a new player wants to skip 9 years of old content to play newer raids with friends...then...okay...how’s that broken?

Player 1: “ I want to play endgame content with my friends but I don’t want to play 9 years on content to get there. frick it I won’t play.”

Square Enix makes $0

Player 2: “ I don’t want to play 9 years of content just to be able to raid with my friends. I want to do it now. Ohh I can pay? Take my money. Oh wow I really like this game. I’ll now sub.”

Square Enix profit: well...at least $40-50 and then maybe $12 a month from said player moving forward.

It’s smart business IMO.

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It has been a slippery slope that has changed the focus of gaming companies from making a fun game to seeing how much money they can get out of you

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Both can exist you know? A good game that is profitable.

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The skins you will need for endgame are not founders skins so I dont know what else to tell you.

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So first they don't provide stats, then they do, then they are available for free, then they aren't, now they don't matter because it's not endgame.

We're sitting here establishing the existence of SKINS that provide stats that you pay for and you still think it's not p2w. Retards like you are why games suck.

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Have you played FF?

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Not very much. From what I have it seemed fun and seems to be the best MMORPG on the market. If you think I'm railing against it, I'm not. They don't behave in a predatory way towards their customers from what I have seen. Heavy on cosmetics but that is ok and a proper use of monetization without damaging core game principles.

Boosting is bad in general but yes it has it's place in ancient games like FF and WoW retail.

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Heavy on cosmetics but that is ok and a proper use of monetization without damaging core game principles.

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I've railed on shops but FF isn't bad in the cosmetic department. Pretty sure most of the stuff in there is just old event aesthetics that you could get for free if you played at the time but they threw in the show to give everyone else a chance to obtain it after the fact. I'm much more ok with that.

My only issue with FF's store is the level and story boosts. Almost all of the really cool aesthetics in FF are obtainable in-game instead of through the shop. A stark contrast to games like WoW where it's pretty obvious the mounts and transmogs that go in the shop are of higher quality than the drops/rewards in-game.

IMO there are two types of P2W games.

1. You pay to progress quicker/cut corners. Anything you buy with real money can be obtained by just playing the game

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2. Locking content behind a paywall that you cannot get past in the game without spending real money

Obviously I would prefer #1 to #2. Companies have to make money on their game and Lost Ark has actually done a decent job in monetizing it compared to a lot of other games. I would rather play a game with the first p2w option in place rather than having to pay 15 bucks a month, etc.

Also, it is worth noting Lost Ark was extremely worse with the p2w when it first came out. Th Koreans bitched about it and the devs actually scaled it down over the years to what you see now. There are plenty of games to bitch about p2w but Lost Ark really isn't one of them.

PS - Im lvl 41 on Una server, I hope they get their servers fixed soon.

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I hope they get their servers fixed soon.

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It may not happen for a while if they run into the same issues Square Enix did. There may just not be enough servers out there right now.