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re: Japanese people are targeting the historian Ubisoft relied on for their black samurai
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:05 pm to Roaad
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:05 pm to Roaad
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Wait until you guys hear that da Vinci did not build a tank
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You mean there aren't any credible reports of a nobleman flying across Venice like Batman?
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Don't forget the very real Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the telephone, and Batman's grapple gun
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Or the Pope was a member of a group called the Templars and fought some dude named Ezio with a supernatural device.
from a reddit thread about it
Point is, even if absolutely none of the history is true, why does it matter so much if the game and story is good? There are so many samurai games out there.
Ezio isn't a real person.
But it's a black guy, so it's pandering
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Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:14 pm to sicboy
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from a reddit thread about it
Point is, even if absolutely none of the history is true, why does it matter so much if the game and story is good? There are so many samurai games out there.
Ezio isn't a real person.
But it's a black guy, so it's pandering
Everything you quoted is from quests in games where the historical character is the quest GIVER. Those are not the main character of the games.
You're making the opposing argument and pretending you're countering it.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:19 pm to imjustafatkid
None.Of.The.AC.Protagonists.Actually.Existed.
How can I make that any more plain?
How can I make that any more plain?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:23 pm to sicboy
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None.Of.The.AC.Protagonists.Actually.Existed.
Again, you're making my argument for me. Yasuke existed and is being misrepresented, and he is the protaganist. That is the problem.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:27 pm to imjustafatkid
Oh. So you're going to bat for Yasuke? 
It's not a problem. It really isn't. No grown person thinks so. I promise you.
All of the characters I mentioned before, the NPC's, were misrepresented as well.
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hat is the problem.
It's not a problem. It really isn't. No grown person thinks so. I promise you.
All of the characters I mentioned before, the NPC's, were misrepresented as well.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:50 pm to sicboy
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It's not a problem. It really isn't. No grown person thinks so. I promise you.
Obviously, this is false.
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All of the characters I mentioned before, the NPC's, were misrepresented as well.
Your inability to see the difference says much more about you than it does about me.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:54 pm to imjustafatkid
Find me examples of Japanese gamers actually protesting this game or ANYONE reporting on it other than bottom feeder internet trolls.
Mark Kern is pretty much a laughing stock in the industry now, so maybe someone else.
Mark Kern is pretty much a laughing stock in the industry now, so maybe someone else.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 1:56 pm to imjustafatkid
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Your inability to see the difference says much more about you than it does about me.
There isn't one. You're nitpicking to support your argument. Protagonist or side character, whether they are based on a real historical character or completely made up, there is a lot fictionalized with every single one.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 2:23 pm to sicboy
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There isn't one. You're nitpicking to support your argument.
Nope.
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Protagonist or side character, whether they are based on a real historical character or completely made up, there is a lot fictionalized with every single one.
Completely false. There is very little fictionalized about the characters you mentioned. In fact, the examples you gave are quite poor, especially in the case of da Vinci. They used literal designs he came up with and imagined that he actually made them. The reality is that he could not have brought them to life at the time, but that still isn't some large logical leap and fictionalizes very little about the man.
ETA: The historical Pope you mentioned was an actually evil man from an actually evil house, and it isn't much of a stretch to believe he and his house would have fit the role they played in that game. Is it fictionalized? Sure. Is it completely unbelievable? No.
That type of fictionalization of Yasuke would have been completely accepted. If they actually had him in his historical role as a captured puppet, then people would have totally accepted him as someone who, for example, was intercepting Templar information through the access he achieved and then feeding that to the assassins. That would have made sense based on what we know about the actual historical figure. Still fictionalized, but believable. The role they have him playing is both fictionalized AND unbelievable.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:35 pm to sicboy
quote:If that is the point, then I will explain it to you. Typically the people represented in the game are people historically represented as being in the region.
Point is, even if absolutely none of the history is true, why does it matter so much
But now they are calling an audible?
Could have avoided all controversy, that they KNEW they would be courting, by just going with all Japanese protagonists.
Instead we get a gay black dude samurai, because reasons
Instead we get an overt DEI virtue signal for it's own sake
quote:Reddit, huh?
from a reddit thread about it
might as well cite Stormfront for all the credibility I give those blue hairs
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:36 pm to sicboy
quote:Only to bottom feeding redditors
Mark Kern is pretty much a laughing stock in the industry
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:37 pm to sicboy
quote:I am a grown person, and I take issue with it.
No grown person thinks so. I
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:38 pm to imjustafatkid
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This game set in Japan is going to bomb hard in Japan
if there's any country that's an expert in big bombs, its Japan
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:45 pm to Roaad
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Instead we get a gay black dude samurai, because reasons
They made him gay too? That's...wild.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:45 pm to Roaad
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I am a grown person
I bet to differ.
Just say it's because he's black and stop dancing around it. You won't convince me if they had made that character white that anyone would have had issues with it. The DEI boogie man has you seeing ghosts.
ETA this is the same mess that happened when they showed BFV. It has a woman with a prosthetic and a black character and the Internet lost it's mind. Even after it was shown everything shown in that trailer historically existed and the "realism" argument with Battlefield didn't actually hold water.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:49 pm to sicboy
Ok, I'm done. Thanks guys. I'll let you know how the game is
Posted on 7/15/24 at 3:51 pm to sicboy
quote:I am clear on that.
Just say it's because he's black and stop dancing around it.
It is because he is black in a role that should be Japanese.
When was I dancing?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:01 pm to Roaad
So Nathan Algren really pissed you off?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 4:03 pm to Roaad
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Typically the people represented in the game are people historically represented as being in the region
Yep.
Altair - Syrian
Ezio - Italian
Connor - Native American
Edward - British Colonist
Shay - Irish Immigrant
Arno - French
Jacob - British
Bayek - Egyptian
Alexios - Greek
Eivor - Viking
Basim - Iraqi
Also, why aren't they showing the Japanese co-lead just as much?
I'll repeat my first post because I think it's worth harping on. They put hip hop for Yasuke. To my memory, they didn't do that for any of the characters of the other games. I wonder why that is.
It's not like they're modernizing the music, Mirage came out less than a year ago and it's typical Middle Eastern orchestra type music. Seems like the one time they decided to use hip-hop, it just so happened to land on the black dude.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 7/15/24 at 7:01 pm to sicboy
quote:No.
So Nathan Algren really pissed you off?
I'm interested in what Reddit told you should make me mad about both, if I a take exception to the other?
Should Dances with Wolves, Face/Off, or Emerald Forest make me angry because I take exception with virtue signaling in a video game?
I mean they are all as superficially similar.
Ask them on Reddit, so you can get "your" opinion straight.
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