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re: Guerilla Games and Sony reveal that Aloy is now a lesbian
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:04 am to Roaad
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:04 am to Roaad
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Romance/Gratuitous sex is not selling point of any of those games. Never has been.
They aren’t really my jam, but it’s my understanding that romance encounters have been a part of tabletop RPGs since their creation half a century ago. Video game RPGs have had romance options for over three decades, basically as soon as the medium became advanced enough to support it. And as the medium continued to advance, romance options have become more elaborate, just as combat has become more elaborate.
And while romance isn’t a “selling point” in any of those games, frankly, neither is “violence”. The selling point is that they are role playing games in which you have control over your character’s actions. Romance options are usually a part of player agency in any RPG, regardless of medium. And that’s pretty much always been the case.
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Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:09 am to Roaad
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It is icky, and I wish games would go back to being devoid of that shite.
Going back and reading this, it seems like your objection is based on the premise that “sex was added to video games” instead of “RPGs that nearly always included sex eventually moved from table tops to video games.”
It’s simply a difference in perspective. If one’s perspective is that video games are a medium for children’s stories, then I understand the objection. If one’s perspective is that video games are a medium like any other, and can have stories of all kinds, just like movies, then the objection seems a bit nonsensical to me.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:13 am to Joshjrn
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And while romance isn’t a “selling point” in any of those games, frankly, neither is “violence”.
Violence is a key selling point of all fantasy rpgs
quote:They can happen, almost never do. . .unless it is for lol's
They aren’t really my jam, but it’s my understanding that romance encounters have been a part of tabletop RPGs since their creation half a century ago.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:15 am to Joshjrn
quote:As a longtime (32 year) veteran of tabletops, sex is pretty much never involved.
Going back and reading this, it seems like your objection is based on the premise that “sex was added to video games” instead of “RPGs that nearly always included sex eventually moved from table tops to video games.”
DM's don't want to act out your furry sex fantasies.
Most players only do it for the lol's. Even Key and Peele made a skit mocking the absurdity of it. . .the DM just leaves.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:33 am to Roaad
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As a longtime (32 year) veteran of tabletops, sex is pretty much never involved. DM's don't want to act out your furry sex fantasies. Most players only do it for the lol's. Even Key and Peele made a skit mocking the absurdity of it. . .the DM just leaves.
As a point of clarification, I don’t mean detailed control of the act of sex. None of the games we are discussing allow you any control whatsoever of the sex act. You simply choose to romance/seduce and you get a short cutscene at best or a quick fade to black. Are you saying that romance/seduction haven’t had a place in tabletops since their inception?
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:36 am to Joshjrn
quote:There are no rules against it, only recently have there been a tide to encourage. . .under the auspices of drawing girls into tabletops.
Are you saying that romance/seduction haven’t had a place in tabletops since their inception?
But it was by and large never used. In fact I can think of 2 acts of seduction in any of the hundreds of campaigns I participated in.
Both were in Cyberpunk 99, both were for lulz.
Would you really want to have a verbal sex exchange with your neckbeard DM?
I mean. . .if it is your kink, then whatevs. . .do you. But it would have to be his, as well.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/22/23 at 10:50 am to Roaad
It feels like you’re trying to move the goal posts. I’ve already explicitly stated that I’m not talking about control of the sex act, or what you’re now describing as a “verbal sex exchange”.
“I seduce the inn keeper”
“Roll charisma”
*successful check*
“The inn keeper smiles and nods towards the stairs. After an engaging evening, the inn keeper waives the cost of lodging for the party and happily gives you the information you need to find your next MacGuffin.”
“I seduce the inn keeper”
“Roll charisma”
*successful check*
“The inn keeper smiles and nods towards the stairs. After an engaging evening, the inn keeper waives the cost of lodging for the party and happily gives you the information you need to find your next MacGuffin.”
Posted on 4/22/23 at 11:02 am to Joshjrn
quote:never heard that in my life.
I seduce the inn keeper”
“Roll charisma”
*successful check*
But even then, what YOU are referring to is the Fallout 2, prostitute sex. . .which was supposed to be funny.
You say yes, you wake up the next morning with VD.
In the games I mentioned you, at best get 30 seconds of nudity and makeouts. At worst you get to see som sim-sex. It is not the same, man.
You are moving the goalposts to "implied flirting and intercourse" from, "her tits are flopping while it is implied he is entering her from behind" as was the case in DA and ME.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/22/23 at 11:21 am to Roaad
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In the games I mentioned you, at best get 30 seconds of nudity and makeouts. At worst you get to see som sim-sex. It is not the same, man.
You are moving the goalposts to "implied flirting and intercourse" from, "her tits are flopping while it is implied he is entering her from behind" as was the case in DA and ME.
That's not even close to the norm. I've only played DA:O, so I can't speak to the rest of the series, but there is zero actual nudity in O. A little bit of kissing and a hard cut to black.
In the original Mass Effect trilogy, there is zero actual nudity. Andromeda was the first game to add fleeting nudity and anything approaching simulated sex.
This is a YT video of every romance scene from ME3 with a male Shepard. Liara's, which is the first, is by far the most "graphic", and it's barely NSFW. A handful of quick camera cuts show nude, though with no actual "nudity", passionate kissing. The rest are basically hard cuts to black after a bit of non-nude kissing: LINK
To my recollection, there is zero actual nudity in any of the Witcher games, unless you count the drawn "cards" from TW1. I can't recall the level of "simulated sex" as it's been a while, but it apparently wasn't enough to really stick out to me.
If it's been a while since you've played some of these games, I think your memory might be embellishing itself over time. Or maybe the later DA games go fricking crazy, but I wouldn't know
Posted on 4/22/23 at 11:32 am to Joshjrn
quote:Morrigan sex scene alone is 30 seconds, underwear on sim sex.
. I've only played DA:O
Leliana 25 seconds, sim missionary, cowgirl, and standing doggy
No clue on Zevran, cause :yak:
DA2 I avoided all of them
Witcher 3 is far longer and has full nudity
It is icky, and I could do without any of it
Posted on 4/22/23 at 12:09 pm to Roaad
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Morrigan sex scene alone is 30 seconds, underwear on sim sex.
Leliana 25 seconds, sim missionary, cowgirl, and standing doggy
No clue on Zevran, cause :yak:
I'm not sure I would even call any of that simulated sex. Maybe implied sex? Everyone is clearly wearing underwear the entire time, and there's frankly very little movement. If you're looking for sex, your brain says you see it. Otherwise, it's an underwear-on heavy makeout session. Again, I wouldn't even call it NSFW: LINK
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DA2 I avoided all of them
I'm actually planning on playing DA2 in the next year or so, so I'll update you then
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Witcher 3 is far longer and has full nudity
It is icky, and I could do without any of it
This one I'll admit I misremembered. I remember seeing so many nudity mods back in the day that I assumed when trying to look back that there were no actual nipples shown, but in going back and finding the scenes on YT, it looks like I was incorrect. Still not exactly what I would call graphic sex, but certainly short clips with breasts and a bit of simulated sex. But along with Andromeda, that's the outlier, not the norm.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:24 pm to Joshjrn
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I'm not sure I would even call any of that simulated sex.
Jesus, dude. . .like Leliana riding and grinding.
You're just fricking with me, or you are just DETERMINED to not concede the point.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:30 pm to Roaad
I don’t mind conceding points. See: TW3. But you didn’t actually go back and watch the video, did you? You get a slight bit of motion on your “missionary” position, and they literally don’t move in your “cowgirl” position. Basically statues. Beyond him rocking one time in your missionary position, it’s a foreplay video. You’re seeing what you want to see.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:31 pm to Joshjrn
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I don’t mind conceding points. See: TW3. But you didn’t actually go back and watch the video, did you? You get a slight bit of motion on your “missionary” position, and they literally don’t move in your “cowgirl” position.
Jesus, dude
In the second Morrigan scene she even tells you it is to make a baby. . .
I mean, Jesus.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:42 pm to Roaad
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In Witcher 1 and 2, you accidentally end up fricking chicks all the damn time.
You must have hated the God of War series.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:44 pm to skrayper
quote:Never played it, or saw the appeal
You must have hated the God of War series.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 4:02 pm to Roaad
Thus implied sex. If you showed someone who has never had sex that video, they would still have no idea how to have sex, because it’s not actually simulated sex, in my opinion. I appreciate that you disagree.
But we can agree to disagree
But we can agree to disagree
Posted on 4/22/23 at 4:17 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Simulated sex is implied sex, or it would actually be sex.
Thus implied sex. If you showed someone who has never had sex that video, they would still have no idea how to have sex, because it’s not actually simulated sex, in my opinion.
When you watch that, you assume they are having sex. If you need mechanics, which you don't, think panties-to-the-side.
Nobody, including you, has watched ANY of those scenes and thought they were NOT having sex. I mean, she says we are about to do this to make a baby. That moves from implied to inferred.
Posted on 4/22/23 at 5:05 pm to Roaad
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Simulated sex is implied sex, or it would actually be sex.
When you watch that, you assume they are having sex. If you need mechanics, which you don't, think panties-to-the-side.
Nobody, including you, has watched ANY of those scenes and thought they were NOT having sex. I mean, she says we are about to do this to make a baby. That moves from implied to inferred.
No, I don't assume they are having sex. I suspend my disbelief and assume that I'm watching something that is intended to convey that these characters are having sex without actually showing them having sex. As a reminder, you said:
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You are moving the goalposts to "implied flirting and intercourse" from, "her tits are flopping while it is implied he is entering her from behind" as was the case in DA and ME.
Our difference of opinion aside, are you telling me that you believe that video from DA:O, or the video from ME3, met the description from that quote?
Posted on 4/22/23 at 7:36 pm to Joshjrn
quote:So we are just lying to advance our point?
No, I don't assume they are having sex. I suspend my disbelief
I know it.
You DEFINITELY know it.
Everyone who is reading this knows it.
There is no value in arguing with Liars. Lulz.
1- "Let's go have sex to make a baby!"
2- "OK."
3- simulated sex scene
4- "all done making a baby! Probably pregnant"
Rainbows and unicorns joshsomething= I think they were kissing and never had actual sex?
Can't concede or you will lose the argument? OK, I'll just keep making you look like the dishonest idiot you are. . .
Agree to disagree?
Sorry, not when I am right and you are most thoroughly and objectively wrong.
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 7:49 pm
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