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re: Early impressions of DA: The Veilguard is that Bioware nailed it

Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:03 pm to
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You mean that smug as frick lady boy quit? Sicboy? Corinthians? You guys ok???

Eta : pour one out for my boy dawgfan how could I forget you.


You're gonna offend them. You better pull a BARVE to repent

nope, never cared about this game, didn't even play the last dragon age for more than 2 hours.

only political hacks and shills are still talking about it
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:03 pm to
You’re the slow flow pro of the gaming board.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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16104 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:15 pm to
i play video games for fun, not to try to own the libs or whatever it is you do here. I don't have any need to make myself feel better by "owning" strangers on the internet. keep it up though, you are doing a great job
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:22 pm to
Yup that’s all everyone of us is interested in. Owning those damn libs. The same ones who don’t play video games and never have they just can’t stand other people enjoying things they don’t or can’t control. How did we make it nearly 40 years in this hobby bored to death until the infiltrators showed up for us to own. It’s a mystery

This is the issue with basically every progressive teaching. It simply doesn’t align with reality
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:29 pm to
I'll see if I can help you understand.

If my wife comes home from work every day and spends the next 2 hours bitching and moaning about her coworkers and boss every day.... I don't really give a shite much less do I wanna hear about it EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Every now and then it's nice to just relax and drink a beer after work and talk about some stupid tv show or play a video game.

yet you come on this board and bitch about woke this and that and the game industry that none of us work in every single day and anytime anyone says they are looking forward to a game you shite on it and we are supposed to thank you for the pleasure or something?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 3:02 pm to
Your, and many others youre by no means alone in this, protestations attempt to weave a narrative that we actually would choose much shittier video games to play just because we want to “own the libs.” This is categorically false. In fact I’d be fine with never having this discussion again. But that’s the rub. This issue with making things “woke” with very very rare exceptions is that it makes it across the board a worse product with messaging nobody actually playing gives a frick about. The whole point is to signal your virtue you see, if you don’t that’s not woke. At that point you’re employing subtlety and it becomes commentary, something every gamer had been fine with since video games started.

There are more problems that drag down video games to be clear than just politics I don’t wanna be like a prog and make things seem extremely black and white without nuance. I’m just addressing that issue here since it’s the topic.
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 3:08 pm to
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This issue with making things “woke” with very very rare exceptions is that it makes it across the board a worse product with messaging nobody actually playing gives a frick about.

i agree.

I don't know what childish person downvoted you but I added an upvote to equalize it haha. U shouldn't be downvoted for your opinion
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 10:04 pm
Posted by The Quiet One
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 10:06 pm to
I agree this all gets old, but it goes both ways. It's ironic this is posted in a thread sicboy intentionally created just to start shite by gaslighting. He knew what this game was going to be and knew it was going to tank because of it, but hey, gotta stir the pot. Maybe stop with the theatrics and the opposition will move on

If someone at Naughty Dog farts, you can bet dawgfan will post about it just to get a rise out of people. Look at him fly to the TLOU thread below to argue only to defend his waifu, TLOU2, move goal posts when logic is applied, just to immediately disappear the moment facts don't go his way.

Tiresome. Play whatever. Don't step on the field then get upset when the other team shows up.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/17/25 at 11:09 pm to
Yeah i can't believe this game was ever hyped haha.

They needed to go more back to the dragon age roots and instead they went more with the style that made the last one quittable after 2 hours.

Divinity original sin 1 and 2 own the last 2 dragon age installments. Anyone that wants anything close to the original dragon age shouldve just went to those even if they wanted more real-time combat
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 11:15 pm
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 1/18/25 at 8:37 am to
What the LGBT mafia doesn't seem to understand (or refuses to) is that once a product is perceived as gay, the vast majority of straight people actively avoid it.

Even straight people that aren't otherwise hostile to gay people or lifestyles, they flat out won't consume gay media or products.

It's why gay agenda stuff has always had to be inserted on the edges.

When it goes front and center for everyone to see, the product fails in the mainstream 100% of the time.

No straight dude is casually going to see Bros in the movie theater.

Trying to market something niche to the mainstream is financially idiotic.

The executives at these media companies are supposed to the financial gatekeepers and push back against any cultist employees agenda pushing.

Problem is the executives are afraid to do that these days. Although there has been a bit of a see change the past few years where it seems like they are getting less scared. A guess the gigantic pile of flops hasn't gone unnoticed.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:24 am to
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What the LGBT mafia doesn't seem to understand (or refuses to) is that once a product is perceived as gay, the vast majority of straight people actively avoid it.

Idk if this is true. I think most of us don't give a shite, it's more like tdeuce said, if they go out of their way to focus on that kinda stuff they failing elsewhere and tryna cover it up

Baldurs Gate 3 had trans characters, and after people played the game noone cared.

Same wit hogwarts legacy (although I still found that game lacking in terms of depth)

That's my issue with stuff like td saying Witcher 4 will suck or even Tlou2 sucks. Tlou2 is one of the best games I've played in the past decade and I think it's a discredit to the game to claim they did the entire story because woke.

It was a gut punch which took balls a lotta creators don't have. But if u look at it through the lense of Woke reasons u can miss the whole point because you are just angry that they 'ruined' a franchise.

If u go into it as an open form I think you will see he wanted a hard impact (much like TLOU1 intro which noone claimed to be woke), heavy hitting story
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 10:28 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
28149 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:38 am to
The story of the last of us 2 is complete garbage. It’s been broken down in multiple threads recently by myself and others as to why, and it has absolutely nothing to do with it being woke. Which it is. So is BG3. BG3 is a game of high quality that people actually like though. LOU2 is very high quality on a technical level but it’s story is a complete garbage fire for many many reasons that if you really need explained again I will but again, this has been discussed at least twice within a week or so
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 10:39 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31786 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:51 am to
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What the LGBT mafia doesn't seem to understand (or refuses to) is that once a product is perceived as gay, the vast majority of straight people actively avoid it. Even straight people that aren't otherwise hostile to gay people or lifestyles, they flat out won't consume gay media or products. It's why gay agenda stuff has always had to be inserted on the edges. When it goes front and center for everyone to see, the product fails in the mainstream 100% of the time. No straight dude is casually going to see Bros in the movie theater. Trying to market something niche to the mainstream is financially idiotic. The executives at these media companies are supposed to the financial gatekeepers and push back against any cultist employees agenda pushing. Problem is the executives are afraid to do that these days. Although there has been a bit of a see change the past few years where it seems like they are getting less scared. A guess the gigantic pile of flops hasn't gone unnoticed.

You realize that by making the statement that straight people don’t want to consume media with gay characters, you’re tacitly supporting the long-held position of the LGBT community that representation is, in fact important. You understand that, right?
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
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Posted on 1/18/25 at 10:51 am to
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The story of the last of us 2 is complete garbage. It’s been broken down in multiple threads recently by myself and others as to why, and it has absolutely nothing to do with it being woke. Which it is. So is BG3. BG3 is a game of high quality that people actually like though

But the story of Tlou2 isn't garbage at all. I literally played it twice.

Now if you wanna break it down as being garbage after u alresdy hated it before you played it, I'm sure u can pick it apart.

Which was my entire point, it depends which lens u wanna view things. That's life.

Ive seen people tear apart the lord of the Rings movies, I've seen people tear apart memento.

If you wanna dislike something you can always find a reason to justify it. I just don't understand how u can be honest with yourself living that way. (that's in general not directed at you)

I avoided the last of us 2 until it went on sale for half price and I couldn't hate it because it reminded me of some of my favorite movies where it takes what you think and turns it upside down and then forces you to see the other side.

Memento spoilers incoming



He was the bad guy, he killed his wife and then found others to blame for it so he'd feel better and killed them too. By all means less redeemable than what Joel did out of love

Was the witcher 3 shite because it had dandelion bang a crossdressing dude? Or is Witcher 4 gonna suck because wokeness?
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 11:01 am
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
4577 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 12:07 pm to
Because the mainstream dislikes something you should do more of it? What the hell sort of logic is that?

Are you running a business or not? Things outside the mainstream don't inherently deserve to be included and normalized.

Gays don't "deserve" representation any more than scat porn or beastiality does.

Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31786 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 12:13 pm to
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Because the mainstream dislikes something you should do more of it? What the hell sort of logic is that? Are you running a business or not? Things outside the mainstream don't inherently deserve to be included and normalized. Gays don't "deserve" representation any more than scat porn or beastiality does.

I didn’t say anyone deserved anything. However, for many years now, minority groups have said that being represented in media is important so they have characters who they can identify with; majority groups have said that’s stupid, why does someone need to be just like you to be able to identify with their character or story.

Now we’ve come full circle, with the majority saying that minorities shouldn’t be represented because the majority can’t identify with the characters/stories when they are
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 1/18/25 at 5:04 pm to
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for many years now, minority groups have said that being represented in media is important so they have characters who they can identify with; majority groups have said that’s stupid, why does someone need to be just like you to be able to identify with their character or story.

Now we’ve come full circle, with the majority saying that minorities shouldn’t be represented because the majority can’t identify with the characters/stories when they are

never underestimate people's need to convince themselves they are an underdog and the world is against them.

see: every multimillionaire athlete in existence.

Jimmy Butler is making $48 million dollars this year and is crying about having to stay in fricking Miami

it's odd that people can be so fortunate and still pretend like they have things so bad.

meanwhile I'm just hoping i can stall turning 40 a few more years and loving life on a middle income in Lake fricking Charles.
This post was edited on 1/18/25 at 5:07 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
28149 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 6:53 am to
I think this is a simplified and frankly normie take on what people like me believe, speaking for myself. I honestly don’t give a frick about representing anyone at anytime and think it is nothing but clear narcissistic behavior being amplified. What I do care about is things being of good quality, things making sense in world, and perhaps most importantly being able to enjoy what I like without being badgered (example here; see stellar blade or basically anything that’s not woke since 2016).

Make all the gay games you want. Make all the games with blacks or whomever you want (see GTA San Andreas or 1000s of other games.) If they’re good and in a genre I like I will buy them. My number 1 biggest issue with all the things you’re talking about is simple pattern recognition. Without fail almost always when those things become a concern the final outcome is complete shite or at least worse off. My number 2 biggest issue is what’s referred to at times as the LA ification of all things. This ties into things making sense in world.
This post was edited on 1/19/25 at 7:30 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94860 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 7:22 am to
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Now we’ve come full circle, with the majority saying that minorities shouldn’t be represented because the majority can’t identify with the characters/stories when they are


I think most folks who explicitly state this are doing so to sort of "turn the tables" or troll the other side, using their same logic.

Regardless, I only say it is a red flag, at best. Anytime "representation" is pushed as a feature, I roll my eyes. All too often, that is a proxy for quality. If a game is good, no one gives a shite about representation, either way. Representation just draws attention to the fact the game might have had misplaced priorities.

I mean, To Kill a Mockingbird is the great 20th Century American novel. You have a kid (several kids, one of whom was obviously based on gay icon Truman Capote), a crusty old white man of privilege, a black man and a white boogey man. Something there for everybody is fine. The diversity was sort of the key feature in that narrative. That would not be ideal (and would feel forced) if such diversity had to be included in everything.

Welcome to 2025.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31786 posts
Posted on 1/19/25 at 8:52 am to
Ace and TD, I hear ya. If you want to spill some digital ink, talk to Stansberry. He’s the one arguing, repeatedly, that you’re both in the extreme minority if you’re willing to engage with media if it includes gayness, regardless of how objectively good it is otherwise
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