re: Destiny 2 looks like shite

doesn't make it any easier

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They're asking us to commit long term on the level of a true MMO like WoW and ESO with no true continuity.

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Destiny is and has always been the MMO for the Call of Duty crowd.

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What is the issue?

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In an actual MMO, you have large, open, and expansive zones that you largely explore as a solo player along with completely different instanced zones (in most respects) for story quests. Dungeons are analogous to strikes and take place in unique areas as well.

My problem with Destiny was that it was too much of the same thing over and over again. You had these somewhat large areas that you could explore as a solo player fighting the same bosses in the same order, going through the same progression as if you were on a story mission or a strike.

It just has to do with expecting more content outside of what I have already seen before.

My complaint has been the complete erasing of old content and the character I built.

From the MMO perspective, grinding is easier to accept because you always have the same character and the older content there to return to 5-10 years later. You can see and feel how you've grown as a character and a player.

This reset shite takes all that away and makes Destiny more closely aligned to the Madden Series which is FINE. But don't sell me a dildo and tell me it's a banana.

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Just takes the will and the $$$$

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A crazy amount of will and money.

In an MMORPG it is easy enough to create vast worlds with random camps of enemies when their scripts are just see player and use basic script of attacking patterns.

With a shooter you have to plan out maps more and enemies actually have to physically hit a user. Not just a check if he is in aggro range. It would be a massive undertaking.

There is a reason single player RPGs are so long compared to single player shooters. It is just way easier to build a world over the RPGs combat system.

As somebody else said, later. We will cry without you.

You had 3 years with no monthly subscription.
They had to make money somehow.

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If I'm paying 100 dollars for essentially the same game every other year, how's that not a subscription?

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First of all it was 3 years.
2nd no it is not at all a subscription.
You have to buy the base game in an MMO also along with any expansion if you choose to want them.

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I only paid $90 originally and then I think it was another $30 for Rise of Iron? $120 for 3 years of constantly updated gameplay isn't bad at all.

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Exactly. I am a Day 1 player and I have gotten way more than $120 in value out of Destiny. I play a lot more PvE than PvP and I'm one of the people who really likes RNG and grinding to get exotics and god-rolls on guns so I'm not excited about a few of the changes that they are making in Destiny 2. However, if they can give me a similar experience to what I got from Destiny 1 I'm fine with that and paying for a couple of DLCs down the line.

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It is not an actual MMO in that mold.

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It doesn't have to be exactly like WoW, but Destiny is very much an MMO but only stripped down to the most grindy aspects.

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I don't think it is possible to make a game on the scale of an MMO with the mechanics and gameplay as Destiny.

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Again, "MMO" can be a lot of different things. It's not a traditional tab-target MMO like WoW or Everquest, but I would certainly consider Destiny to be a form of MMO.

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But I still don't get what you are saying. It is the same thing as many MMOs that I have played when it comes to story quest or strikes. You have a open world and when you get into the mission it is instanced. That is exactly what Destiny does, you just don't have a loading scree

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My point is you have one map for every planet and all the game's content takes place on it. You fight the same monsters and kill the same bosses on patrol that you do on a strike or story mission. There are no unique areas for story missions or strikes. I don't know much about raids because I never did them.

The fact that it's just the same stuff repeated over and over again gets old really fast. Patrols and story missions should have their own unique locations that are separate from the strikes.

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Destiny is closer diablo in that regard. Just replay over and over and get stronger.

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No, not at all. Borderlands is the FPS Diablo. Destiny has much more in common with MMOs, albeit not as good unless the FPS style of gameplay really appeals to you. Ultimately that's what it comes down to. Every time I start playing Destiny, I think of how much better and more rewarding playing WoW would be, but not everyone is into the fantasy, tab targeting aspects of a lot of modern MMOs. Destiny allows a whole other type of gamer to experience why so many get addicted to the MMO genre.

For starters, the rate with which you obtain gear is much slower. Often times you grind x of y a number of times to unlock the ability to buy some item which is straight out of an MMO. Diablo is nothing like that at all. You rely on random drops via replaying the game on higher and higher difficulty levels or farming bosses for specific items.

You also have many different styles of play. You can do PvP, you can solo on patrols, and/or you can do group missions on strikes. Strikes are laid out exactly like instanced dungeons in a modern MMO. Destiny also has raids which require larger parties of players to complete.