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re: Anonymous Xbox engineer explains DRM and Microsoft's Xbox One intentions
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:52 am to stout
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:52 am to stout
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That's what you are missing and it's more than just one guys opinion but keep downplaying it instead of presenting any real counter arguments.
so you are saying sony has nothing in place just as a back up if the gaming world makes that shift to all digital and a steam like market?
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:53 am to sbr2
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No, logic dictates what he is saying is the truth. You can't have a steam-esque pricing system when there is a used game industry undermining it.
This is bunk. Well, unless you include the words " with game companies making their current levels of income"
That's really what this boils down, and that is why many people are skeptical when MS says that in the future digital download prices will be cheaper.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:56 am to BTHog
I don't know how Sony can make games cheaper, they are already losing their arse.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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so you are saying sony has nothing in place just as a back up if the gaming world makes that shift to all digital and a steam like market?
Who is going to kick in the extra money here?
Sony? They can't afford to and their per game licensing fee isn't large enough for them to kick in too much anyway.
The Publisher? You would be asking them to lose money on digital sales as well as compete against their own used games that they get zero off of. They would be out of business in no time under that model ans at the very least you would get even more watered down games with even more DLC. Some games may even become pay to win.
So who in Sony's used game model is going to kick in the extra to give you deep discounts and what incentives do they have to do so?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:07 pm to SG_Geaux
I thought Sony starting turning a profit here recently.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:08 pm to stout
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So who in Sony's used game model is going to kick in the extra to give you deep discounts and what incentives do they have to do so?
if the used game model goes away all together is just silly to think sony has no planned for that
still not sure why xbox players are so against used games or trading them in to offset cost. I would do it with both a ps4 and xbox1
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:10 pm to BTHog
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Well, unless you include the words " with game companies making their current levels of income"
You people forget that this strategy is already very succesful on PC.
According to Forbes.com, used games is a billion dollar industry for GameStop.
That's just Gamestop. Not including Amazon, WalMart, Best Buy, etc.
You don't see how Xbox promising devs they would get a chunk of EVERY game sold wouldn't make them more money vs losing billions to used games retailers?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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if the used game model goes away all together is just silly to think sony has no planned for that
You act like just because it dries up on Xbox means it will dry up on PS4. There is nothing set in place to make it dry up on PS4 like there is for the Xbox One. In fact, PS4 is encouraging it and unless they backtrack it's here to stay on PS4.
Even if they change later down the road it they will still be behind the curve.
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still not sure why xbox players are so against used games or trading them in to offset cost.
Because I would rather keep all of my games and get them cheap enough that I don't ever feel the need to trade them in.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:15 pm to The Sad Banana
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I thought Sony starting turning a profit here recently.
They made a small profit last year but that was due to the sale of two of their larger real estate holdings including their American corporate office. Without that they would have been on a 5 year skid and would have lost millions. Not the billions they lost the previous 4 years but still in the 9 figure mark I think.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:15 pm to stout
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get them cheap enough that I don't ever feel the need to trade them in.
thats the big unknown here, we really don't know for sure if console game prices will go down
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:18 pm to StraightCashHomey21
OK man. Keep downplaying it.
I understand it's hard for you to accept because that means Sony loses.
There's already a working model that states otherwise and never mind that an Xbox employee states that's what their end goal is.
Not to mention that if they don't do it then they lose this gens console war and may be out of the gaming business for good going forward.
I understand it's hard for you to accept because that means Sony loses.
There's already a working model that states otherwise and never mind that an Xbox employee states that's what their end goal is.
Not to mention that if they don't do it then they lose this gens console war and may be out of the gaming business for good going forward.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:23 pm to stout
I really think the all digital platform is inevitable. Look at what Netflix has done for tv/movies. I'd pay $10/mo for the rest of forever to play games like I play shows on Netflix.
I could care less about the death of the used game market. The trade in value is nominal at best. The thing that sucks is not being able to acquire games at discount, but if digital distribution puts a larger profit margin in the hands of developers and they can in turn make a better product and offer it for less then I'm all for it.
I could care less about the death of the used game market. The trade in value is nominal at best. The thing that sucks is not being able to acquire games at discount, but if digital distribution puts a larger profit margin in the hands of developers and they can in turn make a better product and offer it for less then I'm all for it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:23 pm to stout
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There's already a working model that states otherwise and never mind that an Xbox employee states that's what their end goal is.
steam also does alot of their deals to help combat piracy, well MS already has their measures in place to do that so that gives them no real incentive to drop the price esp if they can control the distribution market.
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I understand it's hard for you to accept because that means Sony loses.
thats not going to happen
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Not to mention that if they don't do it then they lose this gens console war and may be out of the gaming business for good going forward.
would be bad for all of us as the consumer if either goes under.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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esp if they can control the distribution market.
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ring ring
EA: Hello
MS: Hey, EA
EA: Yea?
MS: We want to tell you that you can no longer allow anyone but us to sale your digital keys for games on our console
EA: GFY!
You keep saying this but I want you to really think about how fricking ignorant it sounds.
MS also isn't going to piss of retailers because they need them to sell the hardware. Just think about it for a second.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:29 pm to stout
then how would someone obtain a digital copy of say an EA game for xbox1 if not through xbox 
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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then how would someone obtain a digital copy of say an EA game for xbox1 if not through xbox
Amazon and many other sites sell Steam keys.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:31 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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then how would someone obtain a digital copy of say an EA game for xbox1 if not through xbox
EA owns Origin for one and they sale digital keys. Amazon sales digital keys as does Gamestop and a hundred other sites.
It's not like sending a man to the GD moon.
Have you ever bought a physical Xbox point card or PSN card to add a balance to your wallet? How did you redeem them.
Also, see my edit above for another big reason it won't happen.
This post was edited on 6/14/13 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:32 pm to SG_Geaux
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Amazon and many other sites sell Steam keys.
which would require an app on the xbox right, sorry if i voice concerns about something before i end up spending money on it
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:32 pm to stout
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EA owns Origin for one and they sale digital keys. Amazon sales digital keys as does Gamestop and a hundred other sites.
It's not like sending a man to the GD moon.
Same goes for MS Office, Adobe, etc... The key really is just generated by an algorithm.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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which would require an app on the xbox right, sorry if i voice concerns about something before i end up spending money on it
No. MS could easily have a function where you click "Add new game key" and enter whatever key you bought from wherever.
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