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Posted on 10/9/18 at 4:24 pm to hungryone
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There is beaucoup crossover
Not only do foods crossover between Cajun and Creole, but their origins extend back to ancient cultures that aren't Cajun or Creole, so labeling them as Cajun or Creole would be incorrect.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:02 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Great post,
Not everyone agrees. Hungry One triggered some “Cajuns”. Haha!
Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:22 pm to bdevill
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Down the Bayou Cajuns have more Italian and Spanish influence
Don't know what bayou you're speaking of, but my bayou is almost all French and Indian. Very very little Italian or Spanish culture/influence.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:39 pm to hungryone
Beautiful points @hungryone. A lot of influence came from what was simply available to you, where you lived. This is a big Catholic thing. They make pesto with pecans and basil etc.. Just used what they had. They didn’t have a Whole Foods.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:45 pm to Fourteen28
The French and Indians mixed.. and the Bayou and Prairie Cajuns mixed with the Indians and the blacks..
The Cajuns also stayed out of involvement in the Civil War.
The Cajuns also stayed out of involvement in the Civil War.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:00 am
Posted on 10/10/18 at 12:12 pm to bdevill
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The French and Indians mixed.. and the Bayou and Prairie Cajuns mixed with the Indians and the blacks..
Huh?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 12:55 pm to Fourteen28
What are you questioning? You're saying the ethnicities didn't mix?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:24 pm to Fourteen28
Re: Spanish vs French/Indian, we tend to forget that LA was a Spanish colony nearly as long as it was French. It goes over to the Spanish crown in 1763–which means that many Acadians arrived to a Spanish governed colony, not a French one. That LA was absolutely the frontier—a place of mixing, changing identifies, runaways and escapees, etc. By 1795, enslaved people outnumbered free people in LA; in some of the plantation pockets like along the German Coast, the enslaved vastly outnumbered the free.
Upper Bayou Lafourche (around Donaldsonville) was the site of concentrated settlement efforts by the Spaniards—it was called Valenzuela, and many SE LA Acadian descendants can trace their ancestry to people who “got off the boat” not in NOLA but at Valenzuela. Assumption & Ascension today have plenty of people who might consider themselves Cajuns, but have last names like Diaz, Rodrigue(z), Bermudez, etc. The early populations of LA intermarried pretty freely—most SE LA cajuns can count some Isleno or Spanish colonial ancestry alongside the Acadians.
But the Acadians get all the good press—-LOL. So there are few mass family reunions of LA people of Spanish descent, while the Acadian heritage mafia promotes the heck out of speaking French, being “cajun” and tracing your heritage to those people tossed out of Canada.
Back to the food: the arriving Acadians might not have been familiar with the tomato, but the Spanish certainly were. Spanish conquistadors brought tomatoes back to Spain from their Aztec adventures. I think some LA studies or food history grad student needs to research the tomato’s use in colonial LA.....and voila, a dissertation topic if someone’s been wondering what to study. Ha.
Upper Bayou Lafourche (around Donaldsonville) was the site of concentrated settlement efforts by the Spaniards—it was called Valenzuela, and many SE LA Acadian descendants can trace their ancestry to people who “got off the boat” not in NOLA but at Valenzuela. Assumption & Ascension today have plenty of people who might consider themselves Cajuns, but have last names like Diaz, Rodrigue(z), Bermudez, etc. The early populations of LA intermarried pretty freely—most SE LA cajuns can count some Isleno or Spanish colonial ancestry alongside the Acadians.
But the Acadians get all the good press—-LOL. So there are few mass family reunions of LA people of Spanish descent, while the Acadian heritage mafia promotes the heck out of speaking French, being “cajun” and tracing your heritage to those people tossed out of Canada.
Back to the food: the arriving Acadians might not have been familiar with the tomato, but the Spanish certainly were. Spanish conquistadors brought tomatoes back to Spain from their Aztec adventures. I think some LA studies or food history grad student needs to research the tomato’s use in colonial LA.....and voila, a dissertation topic if someone’s been wondering what to study. Ha.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:53 pm to bdevill
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What are you questioning? You're saying the ethnicities didn't mix?
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and the Bayou and Prairie Cajuns mixed with the Indians and the blacks..
I'm saying you sound confused with Cajuns and creoles.
Where you hail from baw?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:57 pm to Fourteen28
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I'm saying you sound confused with Cajuns and creoles.
Don't tell me you don't know what a redbone is.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:06 pm to hungryone
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By 1795, enslaved people outnumbered free people in LA
There's a really good book that discusses this time period in detail. "The World That Made New Orleans: From Spanish Silver to Congo Square" by Ned Sublette.
very interesting, if you haven't read it.. LINK
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:14 pm to bdevill
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I'm saying you sound confused with Cajuns and creoles.
Don't tell me you don't know what a redbone is.
Or what New Orleans call a Boogalee.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:33 pm to Martini
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Boogalee
You learn something new every day.. Never heard this term before. And I promise I won't repeat it.
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 5:05 pm to bdevill
I’ve heard that all my life but only from my New Orleans friends and relatives. What would be high yellow or redbone, none of which are preferred but nevertheless for discussion.
LINK
But one I had never heard and found :
Swamp Kike - Cajuns - It has been said that Cajuns are the Jews of Louisiana because of their propensity for commerce and finance. The slur is used by any non-Cajun, Black and White alike.
LINK
“Boudreaux how about that $50 you owe me? $40? What $30 Clotile?”
LINK
But one I had never heard and found :
Swamp Kike - Cajuns - It has been said that Cajuns are the Jews of Louisiana because of their propensity for commerce and finance. The slur is used by any non-Cajun, Black and White alike.
LINK
“Boudreaux how about that $50 you owe me? $40? What $30 Clotile?”
Posted on 10/10/18 at 5:05 pm to bdevill
While I’ve heard the term “bougalee” all my life, I’ve never heard it applied to someone of mixed race. In NOLA, older Yats use it to describe rural swamp dwellers.....and it was in fairly common use during my bayou childhood as a derogative term for an unsophisticated person, a rustic, a coarse or rough person. It wasn’t used as a racial descriptor, in my experience.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 5:10 pm to hungryone
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While I’ve heard the term “bougalee” all my life, I’ve never heard it applied to someone of mixed race. In NOLA, older Yats use it to describe rural swamp dwellers.....and it was in fairly common use during my bayou childhood as a derogative term for an unsophisticated person, a rustic, a coarse or rough person. It wasn’t used as a racial descriptor, in my experience.
The link above shows that as well as the other description. I’ve always heard it as referred to light skinned blacks. Did not know it referred to swamp dwellers until I read the link.
I had never heard of a swamp kike either but I do know most of my Cajun friends, specifically my brother in law would consider that a term of endearment.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 10:57 am to hungryone
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You can’t make exclusive lists of cajun vs creole. There is beaucoup crossover, and you can’t even get agreement in who Creoles are: there are white city Creoles in NOLA who are descended from French & Spanish colonials, rural French speaking folks of African descent who don’t feel comfortable being called Cajun (or who were denied the “cajun” label because of their skin color), a whole separate pocket of mixed race “Cane River Creoles”.......
You can speak broadly of Creole as a city style versus Cajun as a country style....and then you can add Italian Creole as a subset of New Orleans cuisine. But in contemporary cooking, there is so much cross pollination, sharing, and borrowing that the labels aren’t terribly useful.
Thank you. You perfectly illustrated my point.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 11:21 am to browl
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Swamp Kike - Cajuns - It has been said that Cajuns are the Jews of Louisiana because of their propensity for commerce and finance. The slur is used by any non-Cajun, Black and White alike.
Not to mention the frequency of Tay-Sachs in both groups due to the confined genetic pool.
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 11:28 am
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