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re: What do you think of mandatory tip/"service fee"?
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:27 am to Sus-Scrofa
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:27 am to Sus-Scrofa
When I was waiting tables, we all averaged between 19% and 22% per night. It would say on your closeout ticket what you averaged, and we were all right at the same thing every night.
Your elderly people, teenagers, trashier folk, etc. tip $0-$3 max no matter what. Then your middle of the road people tip 15%. Good tippers 18%-20%. And then you always have a few people who tip more on the 30% side -- more often than not, middle aged white men. It averages out almost every time.
The people who tip in that category and are used to tipping like that will usually tip above the service charge. I know my dumb arse does. So it probably does end up working out slightly well for the server.
It wasn't long ago people on this board, and others like Reddit, were complaining about US tipping culture altogether. Saying they wished the business would just include it in the cost of good and services. And now, they're complaining about service charges. Leads me to believe they'd complain about it being in the cost of goods as well, "Why pay $18 for a burger when it is $15 next door?".
At the end of the day, I think straight tipping with fair prices and no service charge was the best setup we had. It gives poor tippers or people who had bad service the option to choose. But strangely, it was those people wanting to abolish tipping.
Your elderly people, teenagers, trashier folk, etc. tip $0-$3 max no matter what. Then your middle of the road people tip 15%. Good tippers 18%-20%. And then you always have a few people who tip more on the 30% side -- more often than not, middle aged white men. It averages out almost every time.
The people who tip in that category and are used to tipping like that will usually tip above the service charge. I know my dumb arse does. So it probably does end up working out slightly well for the server.
It wasn't long ago people on this board, and others like Reddit, were complaining about US tipping culture altogether. Saying they wished the business would just include it in the cost of good and services. And now, they're complaining about service charges. Leads me to believe they'd complain about it being in the cost of goods as well, "Why pay $18 for a burger when it is $15 next door?".
At the end of the day, I think straight tipping with fair prices and no service charge was the best setup we had. It gives poor tippers or people who had bad service the option to choose. But strangely, it was those people wanting to abolish tipping.
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Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:37 am to LouisianaLady
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It wasn't long ago people on this board, and others like Reddit, were complaining about US tipping culture altogether. Saying they wished the business would just include it in the cost of good and services. And now, they're complaining about service charges. Leads me to believe they'd complain about it being in the cost of goods as well, "Why pay $18 for a burger when it is $15 next door?".
I think most are complaining about service charges because they get charged that and there is still a tip line on the bill, as though they are expected to tip as well as pay the service charge.
ETA: I would 100% be okay with restaurants raising prices on all items by 20% if we would go away from tipping culture.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 9:38 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:38 am to Sus-Scrofa
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Mandatory tip usually saves me money. If the restaurant wants to make that decision for me, fine, but that is the amount of tip I will give. It may not work out how they think it will for the wait staff.
This is me so I’m not complaining when I see it. Places have just added this for the broke jokes who should probably be eating at home in the first place if they can’t afford it.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 9:45 am to Epic Cajun
For sure. I imagine the line is there for the folks that like to tip higher than the service charge is, or for someone who wants to reward over the top service.
If someone gave you outstanding service, many people like to reward it. Most don't carry cash, however. Plus, the chances of receiving over-the-top service are low if there's no physical way to compensate the person.
* This is speaking to the service charge thing. If they increase everything on the menu by 20% and do away with tipping, people will just start to bring cash if they want to tip more. I'm fine with that.
If someone gave you outstanding service, many people like to reward it. Most don't carry cash, however. Plus, the chances of receiving over-the-top service are low if there's no physical way to compensate the person.
* This is speaking to the service charge thing. If they increase everything on the menu by 20% and do away with tipping, people will just start to bring cash if they want to tip more. I'm fine with that.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:04 am to LouisianaLady
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white men
A male (strictly platonic) buddy of mine from college feels he does not need to tip.
Recently, his employer gave him a gift card for a fancy restaurant. He begged everyone to use it with him. Everyone was too busy; so, he ended up eating there alone twice.
With that, I resent restaurants adding the extra charge now. Most people, myself included, have enough social graces to tip correctly in the first place.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 11:48 am to Epic Cajun
What stops a place having a mandatory tip from pricing tip into menu and saying "tip included"? I guess it's avoiding (1) price comparisons to places without inclusion and (2) people unknowingly tipping on top and cheap later complaining? The first part seems less like a problem because the place would probably get positive attention. The second part can be avoided by not including a tip line to confuse people.
Posted on 3/11/22 at 4:01 pm to tadman
If the service sucks and I am forced to pay 20%, then that defeats the point of a tip. I'd rather them raise the prices then let me know how much I was forced to pay in gratuity.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 3/11/22 at 5:21 pm to tadman
It’s coddling servers. They don’t have to do a good job anymore if they’re already paid.
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