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re: Texas Style Brisket - first time trying any pointers?

Posted on 11/17/18 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by Lynyrd
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Posted on 11/17/18 at 2:57 pm to
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just cook it in the juice

Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:16 am to
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Also, will be using foil instead of butcher paper. Hope it won't matter.


It will matter. That's why people said to use butcher paper. What's the point of asking for advice if you don't plan to take it?
Posted by cable
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 12:03 pm to
So what makes it "Texas Style" ?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 12:55 pm to
Using only salt and pepper
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 1:43 pm to
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It will matter. That's why people said to use butcher paper.


At least tell him the difference.

You end up with a more pot roasty type of brisket with foil. Very soft and not as smoke flavored with foil. No crutch at all results in a drier crunchy brisket with a lot more smoke flavor. Butcher paper is inbetween those two. Just have to figure out what you like.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:11 pm to
Aaron Franklin uses butcher paper. The best bbq place in Chicago also uses butcher paper. Using nothing may be preferable but will likely extend the length of the smoke.
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted by RMac1
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 3:44 pm to
Definitely use a thermom to see where you are but don’t cook to a temperature. Some briskets finish at 200° and some at 204° - 205°
When the brisket gets in the high 190s you can start probing for doneness, temp alone won’t tell you when it’s done.
Let it lay on the counter or wherever for a few minutes to let it cool off before you wrap it and put it in a cooler, this stops the cooking and keeps it from being like a roast.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:13 pm to
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Aaron Franklin uses butcher paper. The best bbq place in Chicago also uses butcher paper. Using nothing may be preferable but will likely extend the length of the smoke.


Franklin uses butcher paper and a commercial smoker because it's a restaurant. He is cooking for the masses, he's not cooking for himself or a competition. You also have to take for granted what he says in his videos as well because he is known to lie in them. They are a good place to start if you are a beginner, but you eventually have to get off of Franklin's knob and find your own way to what you like in brisket.

This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:50 am to
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You end up with a more pot roasty type of brisket with foil. Very soft and not as smoke flavored with foil. No crutch at all results in a drier crunchy brisket with a lot more smoke flavor. Butcher paper is inbetween those two. Just have to figure out what you like.



This has been my experience as well, as I've tried all three methods. Put me in the butcher paper camp. I do the same with my pork shoulders as well.
Posted by Saskwatch
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:10 am to
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So what makes it "Texas Style" ?


Salt & Pepper
Post Oak
Low & Slow

This is traditional Tx. brisket. Probably the king of all brisket. However, I change up some of these variables in the back yard.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:31 am to
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Franklin uses butcher paper and a commercial smoker because it's a restaurant. He is cooking for the masses, he's not cooking for himself or a competition. You also have to take for granted what he says in his videos as well because he is known to lie in them. They are a good place to start if you are a beginner, but you eventually have to get off of Franklin's knob and find your own way to what you like in brisket.


And yet people say he has the best brisket in the country, so while he has a much different and better smoker than us, why not try and get as close to that as possible? And if the butcher paper is part of how he gets that "best brisket" that's something I'd probably emulate...not to mention it shortening the cook by a bit.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 10:45 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:14 am to
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Put me in the butcher paper camp.


Same here. I used butcher paper the first time trying a brisket. Liked it so much, started using at for the second half or last third of pretty much all long smokes, for ribs and pork butts. Love the way it helps keep enough head and moister in, yet still allows the meat to “breathe”, unless foil, thereby not jacking up your bark.
Posted by Tiger HouTX
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:06 am to
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Salt & Pepper Post Oak Low & Slow


IMO, post oak gives the best flavor.

I prefer not to wrap my brisket in butcher paper, towel, or foil as it makes my bark soggy. I just leave it on and let it ride.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 9:09 am
Posted by CarRamrod
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:09 am to
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And yet people say he has the best brisket in the country, so while he has a much different and better smoker than us, why not try and get as close to that as possible?
because salt, pepper, oak and butcher paper isnt how he does it, like he says in his videos.

he has 10 different bbq sauce recipes on the internet with im saying that it is the sauces he has in his restaurant....when none of them are.
Posted by NOLALGD
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:01 am to
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IMO, post oak gives the best flavor.

I prefer not to wrap my brisket in butcher paper, towel, or foil as it makes my bark soggy. I just leave it on and let it ride.


Agree on the wrapping, If I have time to let it go unwrapped I will. Most of the time if I wrap its to finish it quicker because I'm short on time or just want to be done.

Also, I know oak is the preferred wood, but I've had great success with mixing in hickory and pecan. In fact maybe my best brisket ever was with pecan because I was out of oak.
Posted by Tiger HouTX
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:10 pm to
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Also, I know oak is the preferred wood, but I've had great success with mixing in hickory and pecan. In fact maybe my best brisket ever was with pecan because I was out of oak.


I've not tried pecan before and plan to give it a try next time.
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:26 pm to
Agree with the pecan wood. Love using it when I can find some fallen limbs nearby.

As for butcher paper, maybe I’m doing something different, but I don’t have soggy bark with butcher paper. Foil, yes.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 12:31 pm to
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And yet people say he has the best brisket in the country, so while he has a much different and better smoker than us, why not try and get as close to that as possible? And if the butcher paper is part of how he gets that "best brisket" that's something I'd probably emulate...not to mention it shortening the cook by a bit.


The way he does his brisket at his restaurant is not the same way he does it in his video. He lies about S&P only. He does use butcher paper, but he also cooks at a different temp because he is using several commercial smokers and is trying to move as much brisket as possible while still maintaining his high quality.

I am not telling you to do things differently if you like it the Franklin video way, but there are a lot of people out there that like the bark a bit crunchier and can start a cook a few hours earlier if need be. There are some that like different peppers and seasoning in their rub too. You got the briners and the injectors as well. You just got to find which way you like it the best. If this is your way, that's great, a lot people like it this way as it is the traditionalist way.

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Also, I know oak is the preferred wood, but I've had great success with mixing in hickory and pecan. In fact maybe my best brisket ever was with pecan because I was out of oak.


I go 50/50 oak and pecan. I use pecan a lot, it's a great wood for smoking that I have a lot of access to.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 3:49 pm to
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Dam Guide


I don't disagree with anything you said and futzing around with the way you do it is part of the fun. I was just referencing Franklin because the OP asked about Texas Style Brisket...and most consider Franklin to do Texas style better than anyone.

The reason I mentioned Green St is they do the best brisket in Chicago, and I watched them unwrap one before they cut me my food so I know for a fact they do it.

I'm in more of the camp that you mentioned, and time and hungry people not being a factor I'd likely let it ride as well, fwiw.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:08 pm to
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