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re: Potato Salad in Gumbo?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:04 pm to TH03
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:04 pm to TH03
You're kinda making my point for me.
You are also assuming that everyone believes that potato salad is traditional, based on the results that most of the board is for it. The board being for it doesn't make it traditional.
You are also assuming that everyone believes that potato salad is traditional, based on the results that most of the board is for it. The board being for it doesn't make it traditional.
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Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:08 pm to BadMrK
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You're kinda making my point for me.
No. You must be confused.
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You are also assuming that everyone believes that potato salad is traditional, based on the results that most of the board is for it. The board being for it doesn't make it traditional.
Yes it does because the majority opinion on this board is never for anything in gumbo that they don't deem traditional. Therefore, if they are for potato salad, it is a reasonable assumption that they deem it traditional.
It's very straightforward logic.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:21 pm to TH03
It's not reasonable to assume that it's traditional. Your simply sidestepping my point. Which is that it's hypocritical that people wouldn't accept tomatoes in gumbo for being nontraditional, but would accept potato salad, even though it may not be considered traditional.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:28 pm to TH03
I think potato salad in/with gumbo is traditional in some areas of the state and perhaps with the generations in families. Same with sweet potatoes. I was in Avoyelles Parish the first time I was served a sweet potato with my gumbo. It wasn't IN the gumbo, but it was on the side. I was told that was common in that area.
We're having a big gumbo dinner next week and there will be a bowl of rice and a bowl of potato salad served to each guest. Sometimes, we serve rice and a sweet potato on the side.
I believe tomatoes in gumbo arose from the Creole/Spanish influence around the New Orleans area. Same with tomatoes in jambalaya versus brown jambalaya. Traditional in some areas, but not in others.
We're having a big gumbo dinner next week and there will be a bowl of rice and a bowl of potato salad served to each guest. Sometimes, we serve rice and a sweet potato on the side.
I believe tomatoes in gumbo arose from the Creole/Spanish influence around the New Orleans area. Same with tomatoes in jambalaya versus brown jambalaya. Traditional in some areas, but not in others.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:28 pm to BadMrK
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It's not reasonable to assume that it's traditional. Your simply sidestepping my point.
In this context, yes it's perfectly reasonable. I'm not sidestepping anything.
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Which is that it's hypocritical that people wouldn't accept tomatoes in gumbo for being nontraditional, but would accept potato salad, even though it may not be considered traditional.
No it isn't. Traditional is a relative term. We are speaking about traditional relative to the sample size of this board.
IF the majority of posters on this board shits on anything in gumbo they deem nontraditional AND they prefer to eat gumbo with potato salad THEN it's reasonable to assume they believe it's traditional. Again, with traditional being a relative term.
Again, it's very straightforward logic. I really don't see where your disconnect is. If someone grew up eating it with potato salad and still prefers it today, is that not traditional to them?
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:30 pm to TulaneFan
Yes but prefer a sweet potato
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:32 pm to Gris Gris
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I think potato salad in/with gumbo is traditional in some areas of the state and perhaps with the generations in families
As Winston suggested, I believed its a German influence.
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Although people in all parts of South Louisiana make meat and sausage gumbo thicken with filé, seafood gumbo thickened with okra is more common along the coast, where seafood is more plentiful. If you make duck, venison, or squirrel gumbo, you most likely have a hunter in the family. If you put a scoop of potato salad in your gumbo before serving, you likely have some German influence
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I believe tomatoes in gumbo arose from the Creole/Spanish influence around the New Orleans area. Same with tomatoes in jambalaya versus brown jambalaya. Traditional in some areas, but not in others.
Exactly. And traditional is relative to the area and family you're in or speaking to.
From the same link:
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Any gumbo researcher soon discovers that there are many types and that there is no consensus about what makes a good gumbo. If your family prefers an almost black roux, your family probably has ties to the prairies west of the Atchafalaya Basin. If your family prefers a lighter roux or you add tomatoes, you are more likely to have ties to southeast Louisiana east of the Atchafalaya.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:34 pm to TH03
it's not reasonable because its circular reasoning
basically what you are saying is...
"people are okay with potato salad in gumbo because its traditional. It's traditional because people are okay with it in gumbo"
basically what you are saying is...
"people are okay with potato salad in gumbo because its traditional. It's traditional because people are okay with it in gumbo"
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:37 pm to TH03
"Exactly. And traditional is relative to the area and family you're in or speaking to. "
Fine, I can cede that point if you can also cede that tomatoes are nontraditional. Which brings us back to square one. Tomatoes in gumbo don't deserve the hate that they receive.
Fine, I can cede that point if you can also cede that tomatoes are nontraditional. Which brings us back to square one. Tomatoes in gumbo don't deserve the hate that they receive.
This post was edited on 1/30/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:39 pm to BadMrK
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basically what you are saying is...
"people are okay with potato salad in gumbo because its traditional. It's traditional because people are okay with it in gumbo"
Person A says I only like traditional ingredients in my gumbo. I use a roux, Trinity, stock, and meat over rice then finish it off with potato salad.
Could you not then reasonably say person A believes potato salad is traditional since he "only likes traditional ingredients in his gumbo"?
My logic is that if someone is a stickler for what they consider traditional ingredients then EVERY SINGLE ingredient they use is one they deem traditional.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:42 pm to BadMrK
Tomatoes are traditional in certain areas, but those are not the majority opinion on this board so they get hated on. It's cajun vs creole and this board is mostly cajun.
In my personal opinion, tomatoes make the gumbo acidic and I'm not a fan.
In my personal opinion, tomatoes make the gumbo acidic and I'm not a fan.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:44 pm to TH03
That only works if there is some sort of outside consensus on what is traditional. Otherwise, Its circular. It's only traditional because that person considers it traditional. It's like saying...
Person A says I only like traditional ingredients in my gumbo. I use a roux, Trinity, stock, and meat over rice then finish it off STEAK.
Could you not then reasonably say person A believes STEAK is traditional since he "only likes traditional ingredients in his gumbo"?
It has no truth value
Person A says I only like traditional ingredients in my gumbo. I use a roux, Trinity, stock, and meat over rice then finish it off STEAK.
Could you not then reasonably say person A believes STEAK is traditional since he "only likes traditional ingredients in his gumbo"?
It has no truth value
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:47 pm to TH03
It's been fun, I believe I've made my point the best I can. We'll have to agree to disagree
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:48 pm to BadMrK
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That only works if there is some sort of outside consensus on what is traditional.
On gumbo?
It's all regionalized. There are certain groups of people though that consider potato salad traditional. Possibly a German heritage connection. Without being able to boil it down to a specific heritage or region, there's not much to go on other than what we have. The steak is outlandish. The tomatoes would be a better example. Survey 100 people with creole heritage and they'll say tomatoes are traditional. And it will be traditional for them. The only difference is we can pinpoint the history of the use of tomatoes.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:49 pm to BadMrK
Posted on 1/30/18 at 12:53 pm to TH03
[quote]And traditional is relative to the area and family you're in or speaking to. [quote]
Yes, and Louisiana traditions in foods vary.
Yes, and Louisiana traditions in foods vary.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:35 pm to TulaneFan
I’m a rice guy but if by chance I have some leftover potato salad i will plop the frick out of some in a bowl of gumbo.
Posted on 1/30/18 at 9:36 pm to Gris Gris
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was in Avoyelles Parish the first time I was served a sweet potato with my gumbo. It wasn't IN the gumbo, but it was on the side. I was told that was common in that area.
Yep. Not necessarily every gumbo but around the holidays when they’re in season it’s very common.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 7:59 am to TulaneFan
Gumbo is too delicious to have a single bowl with a crappy filler like PS. I'll take 2 bowls of gumbo please.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 8:02 am to TH03
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Basically like the rice you serve it over.
Nope, not even close
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