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re: My House Wines for 2020
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:35 pm to wutangfinancial
Posted on 8/23/20 at 12:35 pm to wutangfinancial
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How does that Swift taste?
Depends on how much wine and what wine you drink.
If you drink the big fruity $10-30 US reds and love them, you’ll love pretty much anything Dave Phinney makes, but especially that 8 Years. They are the sweet, smooth (for the most part), absolute fruit bomb wines that the vast majority of US wine drinkers love and buy by the pallet. If you like Apothic, Michael David, Ménage, Louis Martini Sonoma, etc, you’ll love those.
If you prefer more subtle stuff that has a “truer” expression of the grapes, you likely have a more old world preference and would not find these wines to be what the hype makes them out to be. Palermo ($35-40) and Mercury Head ($120-130) would be the Orin Swift options to try for this group. Both are cabs and made from the same lot of grapes.
Nothing is wrong with either group, but to be a true douchey wine snob like me, you have to be the latter.
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Posted on 8/23/20 at 2:17 pm to TH03
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If you drink the big fruity $10-30 US reds and love them, you’ll love pretty much anything Dave Phinney makes, but especially that 8 Years. They are the sweet, smooth (for the most part), absolute fruit bomb wines that the vast majority of US wine drinkers love and buy by the pallet. If you like Apothic, Michael David, Ménage, Louis Martini Sonoma, etc, you’ll love those.
If you prefer more subtle stuff that has a “truer” expression of the grapes, you likely have a more old world preference and would not find these wines to be what the hype makes them out to be. Palermo ($35-40) and Mercury Head ($120-130) would be the Orin Swift options to try for this group. Both are cabs and made from the same lot of grapes.
Nothing is wrong with either group, but to be a true douchey wine snob like me, you have to be the latter.
I tend to like option B more as well, but Phinney is special.
Palermo, Papillon, and Caravan are my go to 3 wines, after my $23 Kirkland Stags Leap Cab. I'm far more into pairing, and that 8 Years I paired with a tri-tip was perfection.
Where in the hell are you getting Palermo for $35?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 3:16 pm to ItNeverRains
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Where in the hell are you getting Palermo for $35?
Oops, should be $45-55. It’s been a while since I’ve paid for Orin swift.
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but Phinney is special.
Phinney is a name and a cool story. The wine is really no different in quality than wines in its price range. The differentiation between California wines under say $60ish is all about the story. He has a knack for unique labels and the stories behind them that people just eat up.
I’m not bashing it or calling it bad wine by any means. I benefit greatly off Orin swift selling as well as it does.
It’s just the state of US consumer wines, specifically California, nowadays.Posted on 8/23/20 at 4:38 pm to TH03
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Phinney is a name and a cool story. The wine is really no different in quality than wines in its price range. The differentiation between California wines under say $60ish is all about the story.
What would you compare 8 years to in its price range?
Posted on 8/23/20 at 5:32 pm to ItNeverRains
For zins or anything?
Ridge, as I mentioned before, is the gold standard for Zinfandel blends. Geyserville is my favorite, but Lytton Springs and Three Valleys are excellent as well.
Rombauer is similarly a big fruit bomb like 8YITD.
Michael David’s upper tier of deadly “zins” (Rage, Sloth, Lust, & Gluttony) are quite good.
Ridge, as I mentioned before, is the gold standard for Zinfandel blends. Geyserville is my favorite, but Lytton Springs and Three Valleys are excellent as well.
Rombauer is similarly a big fruit bomb like 8YITD.
Michael David’s upper tier of deadly “zins” (Rage, Sloth, Lust, & Gluttony) are quite good.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 5:53 pm to TH03
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For zins or anything?
Zin blends. I’m not a Zin guy by any stretch of the imagination. Appreciate the rec’s
Posted on 8/24/20 at 9:13 am to TH03
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If you prefer more subtle stuff that has a “truer” expression of the grapes, you likely have a more old world preference and would not find these wines to be what the hype makes them out to be
This is me. I think the California blends can get ridiculous and I know the Orwin Swift family is the quentessential example. I used to like Prisoner and Unshackled and still like Saldo but I figured out pretty early on you're just buying an overhyped label that's ridiculously bold just be bold so I haven't tried the other names.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 9:17 am to TH03
Earthquake is legit I had no idea that's a Micheal David label.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 9:30 am to TH03
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Chile is still the reigning king currently in terms of quality for the price. Their $10-20 price range is more comparable to a $30-50 price range if you were looking at old world options. Rothschild has a great line of Chilean stuff, and Los Vascos Cab for $10-12 would be served at my table before almost any US cab in the under $50 range.
I've been drinking some Clos Apalta Petit Clos lately and really enjoyed it.
Picked up a half case of Lapostolle Cuvée Alexandre and it's a great weeknight value (think it was 17 bucks or so).
Posted on 8/24/20 at 10:31 am to wutangfinancial
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I used to like Prisoner
If you liked it when Phinney made it, it’s called 8 Years In The Desert now. Constellation bought the Prisoner name and existing juice. They did not hire Dave Phinney or purchase a “recipe” so the juice changed once they ran out of what they bought. Gallo one upped them by buying Orin Swift and keeping/“hiring” Dave Phinney to continue that and other projects. Once the 8 year non compete from the Constellation purchase, Dave was able to make Zinfandel blends again, hence the 8 Years in the Desert name.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:16 pm to TH03
I'm not sure when that deal took place so I couldn't tell you. But that's interesting it's not the same. I've notice the price tank in recent years so that's probably why.
I'll definitely check out that Ridge zin you're recommending I've always wanted to try and just always get something else.
I'll definitely check out that Ridge zin you're recommending I've always wanted to try and just always get something else.
This post was edited on 8/24/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:28 pm to wutangfinancial
He sold it to huneeus (quintessa) in 2010 which started his 8 year non compete. 8YITD came out October of 2018. PWC has had a new winemaker from 2011 on, and I think constellation bought it in 2016.
Ridge is phenomenal. Their Zin blends are great and their Monte Bello cab won 2nd in the judgement of Paris which put California on the map.
Ridge is phenomenal. Their Zin blends are great and their Monte Bello cab won 2nd in the judgement of Paris which put California on the map.
This post was edited on 8/24/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:34 pm to TH03
Okay then I've never had the original Prisoners I wasn't a wine drinker like I am now, I was still drinking Yellowtail in 2010
I can't remember if you're the one that was talking up Quintessa in a Napa thread but that's definitely on the list now too.
I can't remember if you're the one that was talking up Quintessa in a Napa thread but that's definitely on the list now too.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:37 pm to L.A.
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2017 Bogle Petite Sirah
This is basically the only table wine I'll ever buy. It's such a tremendous value - $8.29 where I get it.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:41 pm to Billy Mays
quote:I love it, and so does the wife, which helps since our tastes in wine aren't always the same. Finding a wine we both like is important since we drink wine every night with dinner. Pretty much every time I open a bottle of the Bogle Petite Sirah I actually say out loud "I can't belive how good this wine is for under $10"
2017 Bogle Petite Sirah
This is basically the only table wine I'll ever buy. It's such a tremendous value - $8.29 where I get it.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:43 pm to wutangfinancial
Quintessa is fantastic. I was supposed to be there this year, but we had to cancel when California shut down indoor dining and everything.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 1:45 pm to Frank Black
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I love it, and so does the wife, which helps since our tastes in wine aren't always the same. Finding a wine we both like is important since we drink wine every night with dinner. Pretty much every time I open a bottle of the Bogle Petite Sirah I actually say out loud "I can't belive how good this wine is for under $10"
Same. I almost feel dumb every time I branch out and buy a new $13-15 mid-range bottle I want to try. Never worth it in value comparison to the Bogle
Posted on 8/24/20 at 2:11 pm to Billy Mays
Try to find these. They are insane for the price. $10-12.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 2:14 pm to TH03
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Quintessa is fantastic.
For $175 a bottle it better be.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 4:21 pm to ItNeverRains
The Montebello Cab is over $200. We have ourselves an OT baller in our presence
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