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re: Genetically Modified Foods Article...
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:44 pm to BrockLanders
Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:44 pm to BrockLanders
I'd imagine there isn't much difference
Even if the GM side wins it's probably something like 55-45
Even if the GM side wins it's probably something like 55-45
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Posted on 3/1/11 at 12:57 pm to Powerman
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I'd imagine there isn't much difference
Even if the GM side wins it's probably something like 55-45
Actually, depends on the test. Looks, not much difference. Taste: GM wins something like 80-90% of the time.
Watch the Penn and Teller Ep on it to laugh at the hippies at the market. Even after learning that they preferred the taste of the GM, they still said they would stick with natural because it "made them feel better about themselves."
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:00 pm to magildachunks
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Even after learning that they preferred the taste of the GM, they still said they would stick with natural because it "made them feel better about themselves."
And that's what this is about for people like Mike da Tigah
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:03 pm to magildachunks
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Watch the Penn and Teller Ep on it
Just to make sure about this - you're talking about the comedy duo?
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:06 pm to BrockLanders
Yeah they have a show on Showtime that is sort of like mythbusters but for social and political myths for the most part.
It's a very entertaining show and somewhat educational
It's a very entertaining show and somewhat educational
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:06 pm to BrockLanders
yeah. But the show bullshite is extremely informative on a variety of issues. This was one of them.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 1:56 pm to BROffshoreTigerFan
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But the GM seeds and crops contaminate organic farms, causing them not to be organic any more
Why is that a problem? Sounds like someone who says his food isn't kosher anymore if he prepares it in the same dish that his wife used to fry up some bacon last year.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 2:30 pm to foshizzle
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Why is that a problem? Sounds like someone who says his food isn't kosher anymore if he prepares it in the same dish that his wife used to fry up some bacon last year.
That's not really the problem.
The problem is once the monsanto crops make their way into your property they can "audit" your farm. If some of their shite blows in they'll sue you for patent infringement.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 2:38 pm to foshizzle
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Why is that a problem? Sounds like someone who says his food isn't kosher anymore if he prepares it in the same dish that his wife used to fry up some bacon last year.
It's not a problem for me. I'm not the one who makes a living from organic farming. For the farmers that will be out money, and crops, I'd imagine that it'd be a problem for them.
Not only will Monsanto ruin their status, they'll be taken to court for copyright infringement. So, they get fricked out of a crop, and then get really fricked in court and have to pay Monsanto for a failed crop.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 2:39 pm to magildachunks
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Not to mention, wheat as we know it today was GM by the romans. They took two strains that were not very good and cross-bred them. This would not have happened without the Romans because the two strains were seperated by thousands of miles.
It doesn't help your argument if you use an example of cross-breeding. Cross-breeding (creating hybrids) is not the same thing as GM.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 4:53 pm to Powerman
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The problem is once the monsanto crops make their way into your property they can "audit" your farm. If some of their shite blows in they'll sue you for patent infringement.
I don't think the evidence shows they are that hardcore about it. The Food Inc documentary certainly suggested they were.
Posted on 3/1/11 at 5:14 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Of course corn as we know it wouldn't exist if nature was left to it's own accord. The corn we now know is hardly what it once was.
Wouldn't you agree that the same is true about virtually all crop plants? Would you also agree that there has never been a single case of human illness caused by genetically modified foods?
If so, isn't it also true that organic farms consume more resources producing their organic and "natural" products than genetically modified foods? If we can get you to agree to that, how could you justify contributing to the less efficient method for the sake of merely feeling good about it? I personally don't care, but you seem closer to the green movement than I will ever be, so I'd like to read how you justify it with something other than consumer preferences.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 5:28 am to Willie Stroker
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I don't think the evidence shows they are that hardcore about it. The Food Inc documentary certainly suggested they were.
Check out the wikipedia page for Monsanto. There's plenty of examples of that, and other unethical examples of things done by that company.
I've never seen Food Inc., so I can't say what they said about this subject or not.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:31 am to Powerman
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The problem is once the monsanto crops make their way into your property they can "audit" your farm.
Ah. Understood now, thanks.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 8:47 am to Willie Stroker
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Would you also agree that there has never been a single case of human illness caused by genetically modified foods?
There has been no population-wide studies to determine whether engineered crops have caused any harm to the public. Without such studies, it is unlikely that harm, if it occurred, would be detected or attributed to engineered foods.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:00 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
Thanks, I checked it out. This quote caught my attention, "Since the mid-1990s, it has sued some 150 individual US farmers for patent infringement in connection with its genetically engineered seed." It stood out, because it made me wonder whether or not this was typical of a large corporation intending to protect its intellectual property. Is that more than Dupont, more than Microsoft?
For a corporation that size and with its marketshare, it just doesn't strike me as a figure that illustrates overly aggressive tactics. Considering Monsanto seeds covered an estimated 58 million acres of land by one estimate in that article (a 2003 figure), that comes out to only 1 plaintiff filing per 387,000 acres.
Regardless of whether or not that number is meaningful, the only lawsuit listed that jumps out at me as bullshite is their filing against the Maine dairy that advertised their milk as hormone free.
For a corporation that size and with its marketshare, it just doesn't strike me as a figure that illustrates overly aggressive tactics. Considering Monsanto seeds covered an estimated 58 million acres of land by one estimate in that article (a 2003 figure), that comes out to only 1 plaintiff filing per 387,000 acres.
Regardless of whether or not that number is meaningful, the only lawsuit listed that jumps out at me as bullshite is their filing against the Maine dairy that advertised their milk as hormone free.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 9:58 am to Willie Stroker
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For a corporation that size and with its marketshare, it just doesn't strike me as a figure that illustrates overly aggressive tactics. Considering Monsanto seeds covered an estimated 58 million acres of land by one estimate in that article (a 2003 figure), that comes out to only 1 plaintiff filing per 387,000 acres.
Good point. The main problem that I have with this is that in the majority of those cases, the farmer didn't intentionally plant his strain of seeds. Wind-borne contamination can take place up to 25 miles away. There's not another situation that I can think of where this comes up with another corporation. Microsoft cannot sue T-bob's computer shop because the wind blew Microsoft's programming code into T-bob's shop.
Bad example, I know, but it fits.
The other major problem I have with this company is their continued work on the "terminator" strain. Plants that either do not produce seeds, or plants that produce sterile seeds. Now the farmers have to buy new seeds each time. Lack of diversity in plants can and will lead to potentially irreversible damage.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:03 am to Willie Stroker
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I don't think the evidence shows they are that hardcore about it. The Food Inc documentary certainly suggested they were.
I don't think it really matters if they're hardcore about it
What matters is the fact that they're even allowed to do it
Complete failure by the justice department
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:04 am to Khameleon
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There has been no population-wide studies to determine whether engineered crops have caused any harm to the public.
Genetically modified crops have been around forever though
Posted on 3/2/11 at 10:05 am to Powerman
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Complete failure by the justice department
That's what bribes...err, political contributions....will do for your business.
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