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re: French wine scam uncovered
Posted on 2/24/10 at 1:34 pm to clooneyisgod
Posted on 2/24/10 at 1:34 pm to clooneyisgod
You bet. To me it's more like blonds vs red heads. People have different tastes but it makes no sense to claim one is better.
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Posted on 2/24/10 at 1:45 pm to clooneyisgod
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I absolutely believe that there are many wine drinkers out there who in a blind tasting can distinguish between simple table wine and great wine.
Possibly
But I would bet the farm that the vast majority of these people couldn't distinguish between a 14 dollar bottle and a 60 dollar bottle.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 1:50 pm to clooneyisgod
quote:Of course. My point about blind tasting being imperfect is related to the OP, which makes it sound like there's no differrence between Two Buck Chuck and a Haut Brion and that anyone who thinks there is is a fraud. I'm pointing out that the circumstances under which the curious results of the blind taste tests mentioned in the OP are inherenetly to be found when one is trying to judge 100 wines (like in the linked article). After awhile the tannin build up in the mouth just makes all wines taste bad.
On the other hand, I think it's unrealistic to think that a wine which James Laube rated as a 93 is actually a terrible wine. There is certainly a margin for error, but it's not huge.
This post was edited on 2/24/10 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/24/10 at 1:57 pm to Nawlens Gator
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You bet. To me it's more like blonds vs red heads. People have different tastes but it makes no sense to claim one is better.
I'm not so sure I totally agree with that analogy. I assume you'll admit that there are some women who are more attractive than others?
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:04 pm to Nawlens Gator
quote:Every redhead and every blonde are equally attractive?
To me it's more like blonds vs red heads. People have different tastes but it makes no sense to claim one is better.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:14 pm to Powerman
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But I would bet the farm that the vast majority of these people couldn't distinguish between a 14 dollar bottle and a 60 dollar bottle.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:15 pm to L.A.
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Of course. My point about blind tasting being imperfect is related to the OP, which makes it sound like there's no differrence between Two Buck Chuck and a Haut Brion and that anyone who thinks there is is a fraud.
I completely agree with you.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:30 pm to clooneyisgod
For blonds vs red heads, 'better' is in the eyes of the beholder. In which case it makes no sense for the 'beholders' to argue which is better.
Same with wines. I agree people can taste a difference between $15 and $75 dollar wine, it's just that to say one is 'better' is a matter of taste. I've tasted many cheaper wines that I prefer over much more expensive ones. Also many times quanity is much more important than a slight difference in quality.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:40 pm to Nawlens Gator
If I served you 20 wines, 10 costing about $40 a bottle, and 10 costing around $10 a bottle, and then asked you to pick your 10 favorites wines from that group of 20, assuming you have a fairly well developed palate, you might choose, say, 8 from the $40 bottles, and 2 from the $10 bottles. So obviously, when you're shopping for wine the trick is in knowing which $10 bottles to buy. Yes, some $10 bottles of wine are btter than some $40 bottles. And no, price is not always an indicator of how good a wine is.
But it's just silly to assume that all wines are equal. Can you tell the difference between a prime beef steak at a place like Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and the select grade beef that goes into your Whopper at Burger King?
Can you tell the difference between Domino's Pizza and a pizza from a place like California Pizza Kitchen?
But it's just silly to assume that all wines are equal. Can you tell the difference between a prime beef steak at a place like Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and the select grade beef that goes into your Whopper at Burger King?
Can you tell the difference between Domino's Pizza and a pizza from a place like California Pizza Kitchen?
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:47 pm to L.A.
All wines are not equal. No one said thet were.
Yes on the beef. I don't do much pizza.
Beef fillet is another example. Prime is more expensive but not necessarily better than choice to some people.
Also NY strip is cheaper than fillet, but many times I prefer the strip.
All a matter of preference.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 2:52 pm to Nawlens Gator
quote:Me too, but I'm talking about grades of beef, not cuts of beef.
Also NY strip is cheaper than fillet, but many times I prefer the strip.
Grades of beef would be similar to wines of differents prices.
Cuts of beef would be similar to, say, a cabernet sauvignon vs a pinot noir. Of course it's merely a matter of preference.
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:16 pm to L.A.
Grades probably not a good analogy. I can't think of a reason I would prefer a select over a prime. Wines are different in that price many times has zero to do with quality.
In my own case I went to several wine courses, learned all the lango, spent the big biucks on fancy wines, then one night we walked into a fancy company sponsered christmas party and said this is really good red wine. After several glasses I asked and found out it was really pretty cheap (some cab/merlot blend from SoAmerica). I started searching for cheaper wines (like black box) I liked and found there are many much more expensive ones that aren't as good. I think a lot of people equate price to quality, I'm not one (unless we're talking thunderbird, ripple, boonesfarm, etc).
Posted on 2/24/10 at 3:27 pm to Nawlens Gator
quote:I agree with all of that.
Grades probably not a good analogy. I can't think of a reason I would prefer a select over a prime. Wines are different in that price many times has zero to do with quality.
In my own case I went to several wine courses, learned all the lango, spent the big biucks on fancy wines, then one night we walked into a fancy company sponsered christmas party and said this is really good red wine. After several glasses I asked and found out it was really pretty cheap (some cab/merlot blend from SoAmerica). I started searching for cheaper wines (like black box) I liked and found there are many much more expensive ones that aren't as good. I think a lot of people equate price to quality, I'm not one (unless we're talking thunderbird, ripple, boonesfarm, etc).
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