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re: BJ's Pizza and Brewhouse
Posted on 8/13/08 at 2:58 pm to Hero0831
Posted on 8/13/08 at 2:58 pm to Hero0831
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Slow down when you read so you can actually understand what the words really mean. I never claimed wait staff makes $2.13 an hour. Their federally mandated wage is $2.13 an hour. Now breathe.
this is from your first post:
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For the record, in this state tipped employees are paid $2.13 an hour. As the federal minimum wage has increased steadily over the years, this rate has remained stagnant. This pittance has a negligible impact
this was in direct response to the discussion of how the wait staff is compensated .. you even bitched that as federal minimum wage has increased, it has remained stagnant .. could you please explain what you meant then ? what are talking about, a "federally mandated" wage of $2.13 an hour .. there is not a set wage for tipped employees .. this is the united states, the government has set a minimum wage, but to my knowledge do not dictate exactly what a certain sector is to be paid an hour ... i.e. the sign at cafe americain offering $3.50 an hour .. you are confusing as shite with your logic ...
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but you rant like a bitter old man who likes nothing to do but complain about how easy kids have it these days
link?
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how today’s music sounds like nothing but noise,
link?
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how expensive everything is now.
link?
that's a helluva a lot of supposition on your part there .. no, i am not a bitter old man .. no, every person that complains about the pathetic nature of service in general in restaurants is also not a bitter old man .. this does seem to be the restaurant cult's go-to accusation when anyone complains about service though ..
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No, that would be called sarcasm. Sure it’s the lowest form of wit, but that’s what it is. And I have no problem with that pathetic excuse for a wage (aside from the principle),
once again, what in the frick do you expect ? they can't be paid $12 an hour and tipped .. $3.50 an hour plus tips is pretty good money if you get off your arse and work ...
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There are a lot of people out there less enlightened than you and me that think front of house employees are paid just oodles of money, and they use this misconception to justify low or nonexistent tipping practices
i think a decent number of people that do not tip well do this for a reason, they are dissatisfied with the level of service that they received .. when i get crap service, i will still at least tip 15% because i really don't know whose fault it is .. it could be the kitchen, why should i penalize the waiter for that .. and i know that tips are split and why punish all in that tip food chain just because one douchebag didn't do their job .. i just simply will not go back to said establishment ..
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wasn’t this a thread about BJ’s?
yes and actually i had nothing but good things to say about BJ's .. i like it ..
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No one rants like this on the Applebee’s post.
we have had plenty of applebee's/chili's threads where the poor service was discussed ..
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Posted on 8/13/08 at 3:10 pm to TigahRag
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LINK
Tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages.
This is from the Department of Labor website.
And that's all I've got to say about that.
Whew.
Cracks about your age, temperment, New Mexico, Applebee's and zen can all be put into the category of attempted humor.
Tough crowd. (Tap-tap) Is this thing on?
Helluva first day on this site.
And I like BJ's too. Wow. Something we can agree on. There is hope for the Middle East.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 3:12 pm to Geauxld Finger
I've never had a problem with the one in Houston.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 3:27 pm to Hero0831
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but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages.
AT LEAST .. i.e. minimum wage .. you were calling $2.13 an hour a federally mandated wage .. i.e. that is all they can make an hour per uncle sam .. big difference ..
Posted on 8/13/08 at 7:20 pm to Hero0831
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Helluva first day on this site
Yeah, you really should pick your battles more carefully. You went from Hero to Zero the second you opened your mouth.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 10:39 pm to Opie
Nothing wrong with a little hazing of the new guy. Thanks for an interesting first day. Looking forward to more rants, raves, insults, opinions, and maybe a nice zucchini bread recipe in the future.
Oh, yeah. Vanilla Ice called. He wants his line back. LINK
That joke's so old it could vote. For Reagan.
Oh, yeah. Vanilla Ice called. He wants his line back. LINK
That joke's so old it could vote. For Reagan.
Posted on 8/13/08 at 11:55 pm to Hero0831
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That joke's so old it could vote. For Reagan.
dude .. weak stand up and even weaker arguing .. next time, go back and delete your posts if you are going to flip flop on points ..
Posted on 8/14/08 at 12:25 am to TigahRag
Went for the first time Wednesday...Had the BBQ Chicken Pizza...It was really good, but the service was pretty bad...not to mention it was about 1:20 and they told us they were closing part of the dining room even though the part they were leaving open was completely full.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 12:37 am to KG
the three times we have gone, we sat at the bar and ate .. the food was good and the service was fine with the bartenders .. i have yet to sit at a table .. i just hope they get their act together because BR needs a place like that ..
Posted on 8/14/08 at 12:40 am to TigahRag
I guess when you sit at the bar there is really less to mess up. Putting your trust in kids that don't care for anything except their 20% isn't a good idea if you want a decently served meal.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 1:07 am to Geauxld Finger
yep .. unless we have a group of four or more .. we have been sitting at bars lately .. better service .. bartenders are a little older and i think they deserve a good tip for the shite they put up with .. and you don't have to wait 10 minutes between beers ..
Posted on 8/14/08 at 3:41 pm to Geauxld Finger
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I guess when you sit at the bar there is really less to mess up.
Except that you're forgetting that they blended my Brunette with the Porter. That one's on them and not on the wait staff or bus people unless they grabbed my beer, drank half of it, and quickly filled it with something from another tap. After the wait for my chil... clam cho... chil... clam chow... chili, that tipped me over the edge.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 3:56 pm to KG
I ate at BJ's once. It took 20-30 minutes to get a beer, one of our appetizers was never brought out, and one person at the table was served food before his mixed drink. Terrible. The waiter(guy named Mohammed)blamed every one but himself. He even went as far as to say "Don't complain at least you got a free dessert". We didn't even order the fricking dessert. All we wanted was correct drinks and food brought out in a timely fashion. He just brought it out because he knew he was fricking up. Terrible service and I will not go back.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 4:33 pm to TigahRag
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my expectations for the level of service is commensurate with the prices i am paying on a menu .. no, i don't expect wonderful service at godfather's .. at kona grill .. where i am going to plunk down close to $100 .. yes, i expect outstanding service .. i am going out to eat for a reason .. i WANT to be waited on that particular evening .. i DO NOT feel like cooking that night .. i DO NOT want to wash dishes that night .. trust me, on that particular evening, if i wanted to cook, i would .. i could easily prepare that $100 meal for $30 in my kitchen .. so, yes, i want something for the additional $70 i am paying YOU to wait on ME ..
Amen
Posted on 8/14/08 at 4:36 pm to kevv824
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ate at BJ's once. It took 20-30 minutes to get a beer, one of our appetizers was never brought out, and one person at the table was served food before his mixed drink. Terrible. The waiter(guy named Mohammed)blamed every one but himself. He even went as far as to say "Don't complain at least you got a free dessert". We didn't even order the fricking dessert. All we wanted was correct drinks and food brought out in a timely fashion. He just brought it out because he knew he was fricking up. Terrible service and I will not go back.
this is all the result of this wonderful "swarm service" the douche and i were arguing about earlier in the thread ..
Posted on 8/14/08 at 5:12 pm to TigahRag
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man .. i gotta say .. i've seen a lot of posts in my time on here .. but you really nailed it with that one ... "generation why?" .. BOOM .. if it can't be done on an x-box 360, ps3, or laptop .. they ain't gonna do it ... you know, i know that this is the F&D board .. but you wonder how truly intellegent these kids are going to be too ... when i was in school you had to do the work, go to the library, do the research, do the homework, etc. .. now they are googling answers .. how dependent will generation why be on the internet for their brains will be the next challenge .. you can forget manual labor .. today's 18, 19, and 20 year olds literally freak out when they sweat ..
Posted on 8/14/08 at 6:48 pm to TigerBait1127
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they ain't gonna do it
Older people are managing and training these kids, if they are so bad it might be because they were poorly trained. Even if thats not the case, if they are that bad, (which they are, I will NEVER go back to this place after waiting for over an hour and not even getting a glass of water or a menu)then FIRE THEM, there are plenty of young, competent waiters around, not every place you go in has this problem.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 7:09 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
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there are plenty of young, competent waiters around.
Absolutely Incorrect.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 7:51 pm to Opie
OK Opie, what's the answer....You must run a high end restaurant to afford good help or else run a George's type of place and have everyone write down there order at the counter? I understand that I would rather work at Ruth Chris' than Frank's for tips...but are there no people that want learn to do their job properly? I say this because I have several friends in the business who have places that are not "Fine Dining" places and they are all having this problem...In New Orleans and other big cities people train for years as back waiters, kitchen waiters and such before ever being allowed in the front room...Is this service now dead...does no one consider being a waiter an honorable profession?....The money is good...the hours are great(you work nights but days are free)...OK, if the job sucks...what can you do to make it better for the wait staff? It has been said many times on here, and I agree, service in baton rouge, as a rule sucks, I really believe that it is because it is always just a temp job...till I can find my breakthrough that makes me a million dollars or till I graduate and make my 6 figure salary...Why do we not have professional wait staff in this town....You have to totally ignore me to only get 15%...I go in a bar and it takes forever to get a drink...I tip the bartender a ten....then the drinks come before I need them....I really only eat out at lunch anymore for this reason...as stated before..I can cook anything the chef's can cook( as well or better)I go out because I want to be waited on...No brag here just the truth...I can afford the best and freshest ingred. if I am cooking at home....enough of my rant...sorry 
Posted on 8/14/08 at 8:32 pm to tavolatim
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OK Opie, what's the answer
I'll do my best, here goes....
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have everyone write down there order at the counter
Counter service has been a consideration of mine, but will not work for a restaurant where people want to be SERVED. Man oh Man I wish at times I could do away so many servers, knock down a wall or two, then wave to everyone while cooking from the back.
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I would rather work at Ruth Chris' than Frank's for tips
The girls at franks make damn good money, more than most servers in BR. I eat there 4 times a week.
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they are all having this problem
As I said before, people don't realize how bad the problem is. Generation "why" is going to be the death of us all.
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In New Orleans and other big cities people train for years as back waiters, kitchen waiters and such before ever being allowed in the front room...Is this service now dead...does no one consider being a waiter an honorable profession?
Absolutely dead. The totem pole of servers with seniority in places like Jubans is great, bc people will stick around for the big bucks. People simply do not want to put in the time and effort to invest in themselves anymore. Every server wants a quick fix, temp job, and easy money. They simply don't get it. Worst thing is, with all the new places opening up in town, restaurants are doing it to themselves by allowing this BS to happen. GOOD servers are in high demand, good bartenders even higher.
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service in baton rouge, as a rule sucks
Get used to it, it's only going to get worse.
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Why do we not have professional wait staff in this town
You do, at certain places. Ie- David @ Dagostinos.
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I really only eat out at lunch anymore for this reason
I understand completely. Lazy managers also add to the equation. They're burned out and tired of babysitting employee after employee, only to spend time and money training them and have them leave you high and dry.
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I can afford the best and freshest ingred. if I am cooking at home
Of course you can, but then again, it SHOULD be about the experience, bc everyone doesnt have the time or cooking skills to make their own great food.
This is just my .02
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