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Answer me this about the Morganza structure???

Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:25 pm
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15196 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:25 pm
How long has it been in place?? were these towns that have the chance of flooding there before this structure?? I keep hearing how these people in these places( henderson ,Butte la rose, melville, KS, Morgan city) knew that there was a chance that this would happen. These towns were probably there before this structure was built. Did the federal or state government offer them a financial sum to move??? Can someone find that in the history books?? I think it is ashame what may be in the cards for these people then to hear dumbasses say well they knew the risk . i understand the big picture but if they flood these places i believe the government needs to at least help residents relocate.
This post was edited on 5/13/11 at 8:43 pm
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
35924 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:30 pm to
the Morganza was built in 1954 and has only been opened for the 1973 floods before this year...

i'll ask other posters with more knowledge to please answer the rest of your questions...
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:33 pm to
If the Morganza Structure was not in place they would have been flooded already, just like in 1927 when Melville was one of the hardest hit places ( after Morganza and Raccouri)
If you look at a map there is a major bend in the river @ Morganza where the river attempted to change course in 1927. The Morganza Structure is there to hold back this water as long as possible.
People who live in the spillway are notified every year by mail of the possibilities.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:35 pm to
Melville and KS built ring levees around them. I think that is a clue.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22713 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:38 pm to
quote:

JudgeHolden


What about the small spillway between the low sil structure and the power plant(I think that's where it was). Has it ever been opened or what is it's purpose.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61448 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:40 pm to
From south to north you cross auxiliary, then low sill, then hydroelectric.

There's a lock in here too, I think it's before all of them.

Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:40 pm to
I think that is the lock through which ships navigate the 13 ft change in water level.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22713 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:44 pm to
quote:

There's a lock in here too, I think it's before all of them.


Yes the locks are south of the three ORCS structures. But there is a small spillway looks almost exactly like the BC. it's about 1/4 mile long. Plenty water on the river side and I could tell some seepage or spillover on the west side. I haven't heard anything about it.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61448 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:46 pm to
There used to be a concrete levee designed to overtop in that area, but i think it was replaced by auxiliary.
Posted by Bowe Knows
Member since Sep 2004
959 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:48 pm to
Good story on WWL this evening stating that the land owners were compensated (much like a right of way) 60 years ago. This passes from deed to deed in every sale. Also said the Corps sends a letter each year to the property owners reminding them they are in the Spillway. Very informative yet I can't find the link online yet.

Regardless, much like the rest of us, these people have made a choice to live in South Louisiana. Whether we are in the Spillway, near a levee, or in a hurricane zone, we are all at risk.

And before you (meaning anyone not people in this thread) judge them, make sure you realize that the rest of this country thinks the same thing about you.
This post was edited on 5/13/11 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22713 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:50 pm to
Ok that makes sense.



This was where I saw it

Fixed pic
This post was edited on 5/13/11 at 8:54 pm
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15196 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 8:56 pm to
"And before you judge them, make sure you realize that the rest of this country thinks the same thing about you."
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I'm not judging i'm just stating that i'm hearing nationally well these people made the choice to live there now they have to suffer the consequences and i think that is wrong .
Posted by Bowe Knows
Member since Sep 2004
959 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 9:05 pm to
That's why I added (meaning anyone not people in this thread). Didn't want you to think I meant you. Just seeing a few poor things posted on here from time to time and some horrible things on articles on CNN, etc.

I wish WWL's website had the video from that story because it stated things I had never heard before.
This post was edited on 5/13/11 at 9:06 pm
Posted by Dumplin
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2008
1343 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 9:09 pm to
These are some of the more subsistent, least wealthy people in the nation, so it is hard for me to judge what circumstances led to them living in a well known flood zone, whether it be economic opportunity suited to someone of their particular (possibly limited) skill set, the cost of living in the area, etc. With that said, I like to think if ever I was going to own a home in a similar area I would have the forethought to build my house elevated to survive a flood senario and I would keep an emergency fund to account for any losses and costs I would have to deal with in the event of a flood. I hate the "Blame the Victim" attitude that many people are taking, but the harsh fact of the matter is that the consequences of not opening the spillway would have a much greater social and financial cost, and would likely end in these communities being flooded anyway, albeit to a lesser degree.
Posted by TigerTattle
Out of Town
Member since Sep 2007
6671 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

were these towns that have the chance of flooding there before this structure??
Well, Morganza was Morganza during the Civil War. Don't know about the other towns.
Posted by Bulletproof Lover
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
1900 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 9:54 pm to
The structure has prevented countless lesser floods in the unprotected areas. It is not a natural structure. If it wasn't there we wouldn't be a Butte La Rose. They'll probably have another 40 years to rebuild, before it's destroyed again, but it will be destroyed again, it just a matter of when.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 9:57 pm to
Ok. I have been beating around the bush, so just let me say it. Very, very few people have their primary home in the Spillway. Many, many, many of the homes affected are camps. We all love our camps. But we cannot pretend this is the same thing as people being flooded out of their principal residences. There are SOME of those to be sure. But the number is very, very small.
Posted by Bowe Knows
Member since Sep 2004
959 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:08 pm to
Might be true, but there are some very nice subdivisions with $500K+ houses in the path too: LINK

Rich, poor, white, black, Democrat, Republican.....I feel for them all.

There by the grace of God goes I...
This post was edited on 5/13/11 at 10:10 pm
Posted by Bowe Knows
Member since Sep 2004
959 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:14 pm to
And the video about the payments for the Spillway easements was on WVUE, not WWL. I just saw it again but they still don't have it on website.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22713 posts
Posted on 5/13/11 at 10:18 pm to
quote:

town of Stephensville.


I thought this was on the east side of the levee not in the basin?
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