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Posted on 3/31/12 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 3/31/12 at 10:51 pm
Give up Tulowiski, Get in return JJ Hardy-Hellickson and James Shields. I missed the draft and are very light on pitching? What TD experts think?
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Posted on 3/31/12 at 10:54 pm to UnoMe
You got bent over.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 10:56 pm to UnoMe
Not sure how your league works but you'd be getting fleeced in that deal. If you trade a stud, you must get a stud back. Or at the very least get more than a number 3 starter, a pretty good number 2 starter and a SS who may or not play 100 games and bat over 250.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 10:57 pm to SwampDonks
I haven't accepted yet so hold on there tiger. So tell me why you think I bent over?
Posted on 3/31/12 at 10:59 pm to Fleur De Lethal
quote:He's played in over 100 games in 6 out of 7 years, and the year he didn't was because of a leg injury after a collision at home plate.
a SS who may or not play 100 games and bat over 250.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:08 pm to Fleur De Lethal
Just wanted to see what you guys think. I think alot of fantasy owners get caught up in the hold on to the "Stud" until it's to late.
Baseball is a game of numbers so here's 2011 #'s,
Hardy batted 527 times
Tulo batted 537 times
Hardy had 5 less runs
They had the same amount of HR's (30)
only 9 less RBI'S.
.041 less batting Average.
Then we add the two pitchers combined for 29 wins, 342 K's an average of 2.88 ERA and an average 1.09 WHIP
Baseball is a game of numbers so here's 2011 #'s,
Hardy batted 527 times
Tulo batted 537 times
Hardy had 5 less runs
They had the same amount of HR's (30)
only 9 less RBI'S.
.041 less batting Average.
Then we add the two pitchers combined for 29 wins, 342 K's an average of 2.88 ERA and an average 1.09 WHIP
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:12 pm to UnoMe
All 3 players played above their value last year, IMO.
I'd expect 20-22 HR for Hardy with less runs and rbi's
Shields will almost certainly have decline, and probably drastic decline. He did have a solid FIP and xFIP last year but I'm not going to ignore his ERA from the last 4 or 5 years.
Hellickson pitched great and I think he's a great pitcher, his FIP and xFIP indicate he is going to decline, although I think you'll see him only drop to a 3.20-3.40 ERA next year.
You can almost certainly do better for someone like Tulo. Someone will overpay.
What's the roster of the team that wants him?
eta: and what's the scoring?
I'd expect 20-22 HR for Hardy with less runs and rbi's
Shields will almost certainly have decline, and probably drastic decline. He did have a solid FIP and xFIP last year but I'm not going to ignore his ERA from the last 4 or 5 years.
Hellickson pitched great and I think he's a great pitcher, his FIP and xFIP indicate he is going to decline, although I think you'll see him only drop to a 3.20-3.40 ERA next year.
You can almost certainly do better for someone like Tulo. Someone will overpay.
What's the roster of the team that wants him?
eta: and what's the scoring?
This post was edited on 3/31/12 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:20 pm to UnoMe
Um Hardy had alot less than 9 rbi than Tulo did. Tulo had over 100 last year. 41 points on a batting average is huge over a full year so saying he only had .041 better of a batting average is kinda silly. Bottom line is Tulo is miles better than Hardy. Hardy had a career year last year and probably wont put up the same number he had in 2011. You could get a ton more for trading Tulo.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:24 pm to UnoMe
If you're lacking in pitching, I'd do it
Shields was a top 10 pitcher last year.. there is your stud
Hellickson was rookie of the year and should grow into a strikeout pitcher
And Hardy is a good, power hitting SS when healthy
Shields was a top 10 pitcher last year.. there is your stud
Hellickson was rookie of the year and should grow into a strikeout pitcher
And Hardy is a good, power hitting SS when healthy
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:32 pm to GynoSandberg
I don't think top 10 pitcher is equal to the best ss though. The difference between number 1 and 10 pitcher and the number 1 and 10 ss is vastly different.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:34 pm to Fleur De Lethal
Well that's why you are getting 3 players for 1
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:37 pm to GynoSandberg
All I'm saying is that you could get way more for a guy like Tulo.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:37 pm to Fleur De Lethal
quote:
I don't think top 10 pitcher is equal to the best ss though. The difference between number 1 and 10 pitcher and the number 1 and 10 ss is vastly different.
so he should lose with Tulo then take a chance at winning by adding 2 good pitchers on a great team (he said he is weak at SP) and a SS who hit 30 homers last season? I'm guilty of this but you can't always get caught up in names
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:41 pm to geauxlsu07
quote:
you can't always get caught up in names
And most people do, which is why I think he can get better.
But my personal opinions are probably getting in the way. I avoided Shields and Hellickson in each one of my drafts. Not a fan of either of them this year.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:43 pm to SwampDonks
quote:
And most people do, which is why I think he can get better.
but it won't be a 3-1..I mean he won't get a top 10 SP and a top 2-5 SS
quote:well there you go...fantasy blinders
Not a fan of either of them this year.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:48 pm to geauxlsu07
See I think he could. And I don't think Hardy is a top 5 SS. He had a career year last year and I can see him going to something like .260 15 hr 60 rbi kinda year.
I just know if someone offered me that trade I jump on it. Hardy, and Hellickson are replaceable with guys who pop up and have good years out of nowhere just like every year. Shields is an asset for sure but he doesn't equal Tulo.
I just know if someone offered me that trade I jump on it. Hardy, and Hellickson are replaceable with guys who pop up and have good years out of nowhere just like every year. Shields is an asset for sure but he doesn't equal Tulo.
This post was edited on 3/31/12 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:51 pm to geauxlsu07
Tulo is probably my favorite player in the game and id still trade him 
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:55 pm to Fleur De Lethal
quote:
He had a career year last year
naw. He's always hit when healthy.
He's had over 500 ABs 3 times in his career.
He has hit 80 HRs combined those 3 years. That's an average of 26.6 HR per year. If you think he'll stay healthy, its a good deal.
He's not Troy T, but he's a nice place to fill in there while you also land 2 good pitchers.
Posted on 3/31/12 at 11:56 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Tulo is probably my favorite player in the game and id still trade him
that's why you the champ
discount double check
Posted on 4/1/12 at 12:03 am to Lester Earl
quote:
naw. He's always hit when healthy.
He's had over 500 ABs 3 times in his career.
And in his other 4 years of his career he never came close to 500 abs. So the odds aren't even 50/50 he gets to 500 abs right? Because 3 out of his 7 years he's barely made it over 300 abs.
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