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re: I'm drafting zeke over....
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:50 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:50 pm to GynoSandberg
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I don't think the Cards ever comped Ellington to Marshall Faulk
I read that, that's interesting. I did watch him last year, and I think much of this is coming from that insane 3 TD game that he went off in. He was shut down in the stretch run and the playoffs.
I know he has a ton of talent, Im just not risking the 2nd pick to find out. Not when there are as sure things as you can get at WR PPR guys sitting there.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 1:52 pm
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:51 pm to dnm3305
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They just aren't suggested as the no.2 overall pick in PPR like youre doing. I mean, talk about boom or bust. Why not Brown, OBJ, Julio, Peterson, Gurley, Bell, Freeman, or even Hopkins right there
Did you even read the original post
Obj Julio Gurley are all being kept. Obviously this is a keeper league, so the guy is probably looking for talent this year and beyond. Which is why he probably crosses it AP and is considering Johnson and Elliot
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:52 pm to GynoSandberg
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comes out as full on shithead like Jeremy Hill (all reports are Johnson is hungry and hard working),
Not his make-up at all. Watch the Amazon show. Dude is a legit awesome guy.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:53 pm to dnm3305
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This is so much like the Ellington pain train from the last few seasons.
He really was going to run Ellington until he got hurt. Then he realized Chris Johnson had some tread left and got hurt. Then realized he has maybe the best all around back in the NFL in David Johnson
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:55 pm to Goldrush25
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Todd Gurley of all people admitted that he just hit a wall after mid-season and didn't have much left in the tank.
Did Gurley play a full 16 game season?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:56 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Gurley also didn't have best o line in the league so that example doesn't fit what I was saying. In terms of David Johnson I think he'll be a freak this year. But if you're getting him as a keeper I would probably get someone more reliable because the cardinals have something like 24 people on their roster who's contracts end next year and they have no where near enough money to bring all of them back. Their team won't come close to being as strong as they are this year in the years to come.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:58 pm to GynoSandberg
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Obj Julio Gurley are all being kept. Obviously this is a keeper league, so the guy is probably looking for talent this year and beyond. Which is why he probably crosses it AP and is considering Johnson and Elliot
So you just Johnson as no.2 overall to get someone that could possibly hit (likely) but very unlikely return no.2 overall investment, only so you can have the opportunity to keep him the next season at another 1st rd value, which he will more than likely be overvalued again? IMO, the spirit of the keeper is to keep those lottery guys that you draft later that hit? Where's the value in keeping Johnson in 2017 as a 1st rounder?
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Obj Julio Gurley are all being kept.
So draft Peterson at no.2, and find keeper value later? No?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:58 pm to Toula
I've been hearing about this show. Will definitely watch
I think anyway you cut it, DJ is a superior runner to a CJ, and a superior pass catcher to Ellington. Those other two will mix in, sure, bc any team has to keep their RBs fresh and injury free. But Arians knows how to win games and DJ is the best bet for doing that. I can't wait to see how those vertical WRs open up the middle for Johnson to do work on receptions out the backfield
I think anyway you cut it, DJ is a superior runner to a CJ, and a superior pass catcher to Ellington. Those other two will mix in, sure, bc any team has to keep their RBs fresh and injury free. But Arians knows how to win games and DJ is the best bet for doing that. I can't wait to see how those vertical WRs open up the middle for Johnson to do work on receptions out the backfield
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:59 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Then realized he has maybe the best all around back in the NFL in David Johnson
He didn't realize that before week 11?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:00 pm to dnm3305
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I know he has a ton of talent, Im just not risking the 2nd pick to find out. Not when there are as sure things as you can get at WR PPR guys sitting there.
That's my only point. 2nd overall is quite a leap to take on someone that hasn't played a down yet. I understand and agree with the pros of his situation. I simply don't agree that the pros are worth it at #2 overall. There's not much room for error with your first pick.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:01 pm to GynoSandberg
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But Arians knows how to win games and DJ is the best bet for doing that. I can't wait to see how those vertical WRs open up the middle for Johnson to do work on receptions out the backfield
That does seem juicy. And don't get me wrong, I like DJ too, I just am not seeing the no.2 overall pick out of him when it comes to mitigating risk. Like I said, that's a big boom or bust pick and I want to alleviate as much risk as possible with that no.2 pick.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:04 pm to dnm3305
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He didn't realize that before week 11?
frick you go ask him. Just watch the tape of DJ and you know what you get.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:05 pm to dnm3305
No one is saying pick him 2 overall. Read the OP
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:05 pm to dnm3305
14 team .5 PPR. Means something to lock up a stud RB long term considering the options at the position
You draft Johnson over AP because he will outscore Peterson with the pass game work. No one says you can't still find keeper value later on (without knowing the keeper rules)
I guess there is no common ground here considering your stance on Johnson
You draft Johnson over AP because he will outscore Peterson with the pass game work. No one says you can't still find keeper value later on (without knowing the keeper rules)
I guess there is no common ground here considering your stance on Johnson
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:07 pm to dnm3305
I would maybe consider taking Hopkins if all those other players are being kept and you want to alleviate risk. Peterson isn't much of a keeper at 31 and the other running backs people seem to think are to risky at #2. Hopkins is young and on the rise and you can keep him for a while
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:13 pm to scutfarcus
This will be the first year since 2012 the Texans will most likely have a full time starter for 16 games, barring injury. They also have been top 5 in the league in rushing attempts under BOB and their defense is still elite. I think Hopkins number will decrease this just based on game flow alone. He's still a top 10 WR but I wouldn't put him in the same catergory as last season.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:16 pm to tzimme4
Eh, I don't think you'll see much of a drop off for Hopkins, if any at all. The guy is really, really good.
1300+ yards 8+ touchdowns
1300+ yards 8+ touchdowns
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:16 pm to scutfarcus
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I would maybe consider taking Hopkins if all those other players are being kept and you want to alleviate risk. Peterson isn't much of a keeper at 31 and the other running backs people seem to think are to risky at #2. Hopkins is young and on the rise and you can keep him for a while
QB though? Plus i could see him regressing with Lamar coming into the fold.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:21 pm to SouthMSReb
I would bet Hopkins numbers decrease across the board. I think he'll take a DT88 dive, from top 3 to low end wr1
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:22 pm to SouthMSReb
From what I've read Hopkins loves osweiler cause he trusts Hopkins and he loves to throw it up and let him make plays. I don't think Lamar will affect Hopkins. Just think back when Houston had arian and Andre in their primes. They both dominated
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