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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:36 pm to
As a committee member, Im listening to both sides of the argument before forming a final opinion. That is how true leaders do business. Fgt.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:37 pm to
I'm not against freezing the DL guys once the season ends. I just don't think you should be able to put guys there once the seaso ends, until they are officially designated by the team.

And certainly shouldn't just be able to stash guys there from the FA pool because they have a red flag
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:37 pm to
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reddman
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true leaders
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business
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:39 pm to
Wieters and beachy both ended the year on the dl.

I should be able to wtfstash them
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:40 pm to
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And certainly shouldn't just be able to stash guys there from the FA pool because they have a red flag


I don't think anyone is pushing for this to be allowed.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:42 pm to
On my team for example, David wright & Beltran both hav red flags. And in both their profiles say they've been working out and are ready for spring training. I shouldnt be able to DL them. That's bullshite
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Posted by papz
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:43 pm to
I'm interested on what I can do with Medlen as well. As far as VMart and Hamilton are concerned, I shouldn't be able to put them on the DL until their teams transfer them there.
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 1:45 pm
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:43 pm to
I can say that it will certainly be easier to police if only irl DL guys are allowed to be placed on the fsbdl DL.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:44 pm to
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I don't think anyone is pushing for this to be allowed.


Is it any differebt than having 2 guys on your team like I mentioned in the last post, putting them on the DL, then adding 2 guys from the FA pool to my team?

I essentially have 4 healthy players but only holding 2 active roster spots
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:46 pm to
I will say its a compliment to how competitive we all are that adding any players left feels like it gives an advantage.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:47 pm to
If someone ended last year on dl they should be dl eligible imo fwiw
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:50 pm to
It's not just that but it's a 20 team league too. And 3 DL spots is a lot. I realize why we need that many in-season, but it can be taken advantage of in the offseason under what you are proposing.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:56 pm to
If you end the season with a guy on the DL, he can stay there till the start of next season.

If you add a player in the offseason he must be rostered in a non DL spot till the season starts.

Everyone turn in a list of their DL players at the end of the season.

I don't think minor league guys should be able to to go on the DL. They don't accumulate stats so no need for DL.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:57 pm to
Yeah barry....so where does that leave us for this one abnormal preseasoN?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:07 pm to
No one has been designated for DL yet. Pretty self explanatory
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:12 pm to
There are plenty that ended last year on dl doe
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:17 pm to
Here some analysis I came up with while glancing at the teams

Barry

Top to bottom, Barry put together one of the best all around teams in the league. He can win now and still has a nice minor league crop to help him down the road. Only real downfall is his MLB starting pitching. I really like his MiLB guys and he got great value on Beede and Fedde at the end (two guys I was hoping to get late ) Bryant, Judge, and Renfroe are 3 nice POP bats, too. His MLB hitters are all proven and should keep him in the thick of things

Boo

I look at Boo's team and nothing really gets me too excited. He is solid with Pujols, Atluve, Frazier and Castro, but then he has Steve Pearce and Rasmus as starting OFs. They can hit a little but arent ideal IMO. No real MLB ace, just a bunch of SP2s and 3s. Outside of Correa and Severino, I cannot really fap to any of his MiLB guys. A lot of things need to go right for Boo to compete for a playoff spot.

Papz

Like barry, Papz went all in on MLB talent and still managed to grab a few promising youngsters. I am a tad worried about the MLB OFs in Hamilton (health), Eaton (will he hit for power and steal bags), and Myers (who will he be?). Pitching could get hairy in a hurry is Wainwright doesnt come back to full strength. I am not a Teheran fan, and if he regresses and Wainwright doesnt bounce back, you are looking at Gio leading your staff.. not ideal. If all of those guy pitch like they can, you will be fine. Margot, Peterson, and Glasnow are a solid MiLB trio to build around and a few of your guys will be up quick to supplement your MLB talent. Papz will compete.

Chat

Chat also did some solid work and will field a competitive team right away. He has one of the best hitter groups in the league and 3 strong starting pitchers if Tanaka is healthy. Syndergard waiting in the wings. He also has some middle tier MiLB guys who could turn out to be decent assets in the future. No real studs though other than Thor. I look for Chat to make some noise in 2015.

CQQ

This team will win some and lose some. I dont see a contender, but maybe a team on the outside looking in. The good: Cutch and Pederson could be a dynamic OF for a long time. Scherzer, Cueto, and Latos are a nice 1-2-3 in a 20 team league, as well. Kimbrel is Kimbrel. The bad: I cant really fap to much else. A lot of guys on my "not a fan of" list.. Andrus, Molina, Vargas (as your primary 1B), Fowler, Rios, Cain, Lackey). Prospects arent doing it for me, either. Vargas and Pederson really need to become 25 HR type bats to boost this team up.

knat

Knat has some nice boppers. He will beat a lot of teams offensively week to week. I really like his hitting. His starting pitching is weak AF, though. A few solid MiLB guys there. Knat will be in play to compete for a playoff spot. If he can get into another stud pitcher, he will be trouble.

cwill

cwill has a team of young guys who are already in the MLB. I dont think it will compete this year, but it could be trouble in the years to come. No one hit 20 HRs on his team in 2014. But Yelich, Puig, and Bogarts are a solid nucleus to start with. Not sure what to expect from Castellanos and Wong, but if they meet projections then he will have some nice young players. No real stud pitcher but Gray, Stroman, and Archer are solid 2/3 types. MiLB has some decent guys too with Devers and Mazara as two that stand out to me. Not a 2015 contender, but will play teams tough and compete as early as 2016.

DJ30

Let's start with the good: Sale, Samardjiza, Ventura, and deGrom for a solid starting rotation. They will keep you in pitching every week. Wade Davis, Neil Ramirez and Andrew Miller were nice pick ups, as well. Now, the hitters are a different story. I would not want Carl Crawford and Denard Span as starters on my team. Fielder, Utley, Laroche, and Beltre will help keep you in it every week offensively, but they are getting up in age and injury concerns always loom. I like Brantley, but he probably had a career year last year. Even still, your offense will play and you will battle each week. I could see you sneaking in the playoffs.

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Deebz


Kershaw and Kluber lead the team. Two Cys from last season. After that, starting pitching goes downhill quick. You do have 5 closer types to eat innings, though. Could work out, especially on the Cy's two start weeks. Hitting is decent enough to keep you in weeks but there is no real stud there. I neeed to go back and see how you picked in the early rounds. Rodon and Alfaro are nice MiLB guys. Not much to fap to outside of them. This team doesnt really make it move for me but i could see a competitive squad week in and week out.

Clams

Not a fan of the OF you assembled. Alcantara may not play every day. Logan Morrison? WTF. Heyward? Meh, show me something. I do like Rendon, Trumbo, Gordon and Perez, though. They should provide decent offensive production. Baez could hit 30 HR, too. Dont care for your pitching outside of Bumgarner. Giolito, Fried, and Shipley are nice MiLB arms. Dont care for you MiLB hitters, either. Not a huge fan of this team, to be honest.

ISP

Zimmerman, BJ Upton, Aaron Hill, Cuddyer.. what is this, 2010? Good thing you have some really good hitters outside of them. Obviously any team with Trout is in play for a title. Pitching is going to hinge on Cole and Carasco, for me. If they bring it, you are good there. Not fapping to MiLB guys, either. This kind of reminds me of your team in HC. You will compete for a playoff spot if the pitching plays out.

LE

We have some thump, here. I expect Bruce and Crash to hit 30 HR this year in a bounce back campaign. Adams could, too. Cant trust Beltran and his health. Is David Wright done? Some nice young arms in Jose Fernandez, Wood, Matt Moore, and Ross. Hahn was good last year, too. Im not really fapping to the MiLB. I think you will be a competitor, though

MWG

Hitting look good with potential to be very good. Solid depth, too. Pitching is rough with Shields and Wacha leading the way. Hutchinson need to break out. Buxton, Bradley, Crawford, and Conforto are nice MiLB players. Hitting will compete every week, but im not sure about pitching. You may be on the outside looking in, but could sneak in if everything goes right for you.

OMT

Melky, Cain, and Calhoun as OFs -- id like to see one stud OF, but all these guys are "decent". Rizzo gots the POP, Arenado could hit 25 in Coors, and Desmond is as solid of a SS as they come. TdA could become an elite catcher after the tear he went on after being recalled last season. I dont get the Betts hype. frick, you got my boys Arietta and Fiers, two under the radar possible aces. Zimmerman's track record tells me he isnt hte 8 k/9 guy we saw last season. Not sure you will comepte just yet. You have some decent MiLB guys, at least.

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Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:17 pm to
Redd

If you told me Votto, Tulo and Kemp were going to stay healthy, Id say see you in the playoffs. All 3 could finish tops at their position, or miss 50 games. Zobrist, Carpenter, Prado, Montero, and Martin will be nice compliments to those guys if they stay healthy. Martin is my sleeper this year. This could very well be Butler's year, too. Dont see the Pollock hype. Pitching is more on the meh side outside of King and Cobb. If Bauer takes the next step, he will be a solid 3rd guy. Im not in on Kennedy or Cashner. I do like your MiLB arms, though i dont care for the hitters much. You look to be a playoff squad.

RDR

Potentially a good offensive club, led by Stanton. Avisail Garcia has always been one of my guys and I expect big things from him. I wanted him in this league. Good value in Owings, too. He dropped way too far. Not a Hosmer fan. If Dickerson hits like he did last year, you will have a nice offensive squad. Pitching seems to be a bunch of dudes. I like Wheeler and Daniel Norris has promise, but outside of that IM not fapping. You will compete but i dont see playoffs for you this year

swamie

Nice thump with Gattis, Abreu, Kinsler. Im afraid Pedro Alvarez will platoon with Hart at 1B in PIT. I like Arcia as an up and comer. Ham has the steals on lock, and Pompey appears to be a nice player. Nice 1-2 pew pew in Harvey and Stras.. should carry you most weeks pitching. Would like to see a solid 3rd guy emerge, maybe that will be Heaney. Great value on Giles. Seager and Meadows are two of the top MiLB guys, too. Good team, should be in the playoffs

Earl

Obviously reached a ton for young talent. Will revisit your analysis in 3 years.

TTT

E5 and Joey Bats -- Do like. You put a bunch of meh around them, so let''s see how it plays out. It could be enough. You have 1 good SP in Yu, and he may be hurt. Odorizzi could break out into a nice 2. You have a lot of RP who will eat innings, though. You have some nice MiLB hitters. I really like McMahon. You will compete, but Im not sure if you will make the playoffs. I want to see how that RPs play out as far as eating innings for you. Could be the X factor.

[u]Gyno[/u]

I probably reached on Machado, but at 18, there wasnt much left there, hitting wise. I liked the trio of OF I landed in Upton, CarGon, and Ellsbury, though each has their own concerns. I thought Duda was a sneaky 30 HR value, especially with the fences coming in. Same with Granderson. Zunnino could grow or he could be JP Arencebia. I feel like Greinke is an ace, and when healthy, Richards a nice 2. Tajuan Walker has ace potential, and I think Shelby Miller bounces back. Cliff Lee could be a wildcard. I tried to supplement my starters with a bunch of young, high k/9 guys who could eventually be a closer since i didnt get any saves or holds guy. I liked the MiLB pitchers i grabbed. Missed out on all the stud hitters. All in all, I think my team could compete and should make the playoffs
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:23 pm to
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I can say that it will certainly be easier to police if only irl DL guys are allowed to be placed on the fsbdl DL.



If you ask me, this is how it should be, no question about it. You should not be able to have a guy on the DL if he isn't designated on the IRL DL. Like Marle said, you cannot let someone DL a guy in the offseason, only for that guy to be ready opening day. And at the same time, you knowingly just drafted a guy who was injured.. so, that's on the owner to make it work. I dont think there is even two sides to this argument, big redd
Posted by TTownTiger
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Posted on 2/7/15 at 2:31 pm to
Yeah, it's all about health for every team. Streaming hitters each week will be nearly impossible, so whoever wins the regular season will more than likely also have one of the healthiest teams throughout the year.

But my draft strategy for pitchers was to load up on relievers and just hit the minimum starts/IP required each week and let the elite ratios of my relievers carry me. I'm really only hoping to win 3 pitching categories each week. I should have saves/h locked down on most weeks and, again, hopefully my relievers ratios play each week to help me win 2 of the remaining 3 categories.

That would leave me to having to win 4 hitters categories. I feel with a healthy team I'll be able to compete in all of the offensive categories other than steals. So we'll see how that works out.

And if I see I won't be competing for the playoffs by the trade deadline, I'm open to trading E5, Bautista, and some other guys to get younger.

We'll see. Should be fun
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 2:39 pm
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